Why is that not mentioned instead of hammering "entitlement" programs like Social Security and Medicare, Education and Environment, Veterans Programs?
I agree reform is needed, but to isolate SS and MC for cuts, why is the debt not separated into the same areas that were funded by that debt? How much was war debt? How much was corruption? How much was mismanagement? How much was outright stolen by Investment Banks? How much did the FED squander.
It would behoove us to know where the money went in order to staunch the bleeding and THEN come up with a sound budget. Bush's tax cuts were never paid for and neither were his wars. Both are a huge part of our debt burden today and into the future of God knows how many generations.
Why are you and the rest of the MSM trying to bring stuff like this? The debt caused by the Iraq war is nothing compared to the debt Obama has created in just three years.
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, Congress funds war, and only Congress and both the Repub controlled Congres AND the Em controlled Congress voted to fund the war.
This is a distraction topic, anything but having to talk about how poorly Obama is doing...
I don't think that is a distraction topic at all. While the use of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are used as a Democratic talking point, the fact is, US foreign policy and the cost of its implementation is out of control financially and morally. What the US government is doing in sovereign nations all around this world is no different to what it is doing to its own people. We can all agree that the US government is building for a serious confrontation with its own people...(As attested to by the Govnm't buying JHP ammunition for target practice). Why do the people who will comment about the overbearing nature of our government (not just Obama policies) on domestic freedoms, feel that it is alright that we as a 'free and democratic' nation have the right to spend so much of its wealth on subjigating the rest of the world. Just as congress and the president are finding more and more creative ways and excuses to strip Americans of their natural liberty in the name of 'national security', so to are they convincing Americans that every country in the world is our enemy. It is a near certainty that if you treat people like adversaries... they will at some point become adversaries..
DeleteWe should focus on the costs and the REAL reasons for our domestic and international 'security policies' as they really are and not as they are sold to us by the government..... at least until we can figure out how to get honest representation in Washington that we can actually believe is telling us the TRUE story..
Thanks Scot-------we have no clue as to the breakdown of debt and I doubt we ever will. There has to be a reckoning-----families have to do it, business has to do it, but not the government?
DeleteBefore they expect us to fork over another dime---we need an accounting. Period.
On replies that like Scott, I can wholeheartedly agree. This is part of what pissed me off about the stupid division in this country. Ron Paul has been harping this tune for years and this is an area where many divergent people can find agreement. While TD wrings his hands on that thread about the TSA in Florida, you cut right to the heart of the matter and lay bare our very open intention that we will slap down anyone we choose for any reason we choose. If we don't question our government doing that in our name outside our borders, why should we raise a fuss when they do it inside our borders.
DeleteThe reason we don't fix it is because we need to cling to our stupid little parties and our even more stupid talking points that all evil flows from one party or the other. An enormous amount of people are so emotionally invested in hating Obama, or Bush for that matter, that they can't pull their heads out of their asses and work with people they don't fully agree with to fix the few problems they do agree on.
The current 6 trillion in debt was caused by what???
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Ask Mr. Obama why he overspent the taxes by 6 trillion.
All of this debt was to serve a purpose. Whichever side you are for, you have to acknowledge that the government funded much of it. Government spending bought tanks, planes, guns and ammunition for the military. Many of your "private sector" industrialists were really supported by the government. Many members of your family didn't plan well for their retirement and will depend on Social Security and Medicare to sustain them from retirement to death. Social Security and Medicare money circulates through the economy and makes it into the hands of "private" business owners. You may not like to hear it, but the government is a huge part of our GDP. This WILL NOT CHANGE until we increase the truly private industry in this country. That is the same thing we exported to China many years ago.
ReplyDeletePaying for tax cuts? One of the more misleading statements I dislike. Our wonderful central government can DEAL with tax cuts by cutting spending, not by going to the tax cuts store, after stopping at the bank, to buy some tax cuts.
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I agree..... what is a tax cut but a receded tax levy in the first place. Is is as if the government had the right to a 100% tax levy and through the generosity of its heart it is going to give people a tax break, but of course when it does so... it has to be paid for some how... twisted logic.
DeleteThe discussions about taxes in this country are largely childlike. Because I pay taxes, i have police and fire protection, I have some margin of reliability when I go to a grocery store that the products there are safe, I have roads to drive on and I have borders that have no been invaded in my lifetime by a hostile foreign nation through an act of war. Because of this, I have enormous freedom to pursue what is important to me. I don't want to live in a world where I need to carry a small arsenal of weapons and assume that every product I buy is at my own risk.
DeleteHow to you actually put a dollar value on what that freedom costs? How do you then decide what is my fair share of burden? The flaw of the pure, no rules capitalism is that we can't all have only what is good for us and nothing that we don't agree with. Taxes right now are at a ridiculously low rate and our economy sucks ass anyway. Clearly, enldessly cutting taxes while never having an adult discussion on what you do want to spend money on isn't working. But, when you can't even be mature enough to allow that taxes are part of the cost of freedom we enjoy, you certainly can't have an adult discussion on what a fair tax code looks like.
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