Not to worry, between the rising cost of school and rising cost to finance education, we will shortly put going to college out of reach for most young people. Then they can sit at home and lose themselves in the fantasy of Atlas Shrugged
The real reason for the increase of college tuition is the governments total takeover of the loan programs that anyone with a pulse can get. It is easy to raise your prices when everyone gets a subsidized government loan to buy your product.
The thinly veiled suggestion that Paul Ryan adores everything Ayn Rand stood for is not accurate, if that is you suggestion. At least, he went to the trouble of spelling that out in an interview a few weeks ago.
I call bullshit on that Jean, you can believe what you like. He is denouncing her now because he doesn't want to keep answering questions about it. Within the last year, there were several speeches he gave where he sang her praises. let's suppose you are correct though. Are we really supposed to believe that all the Ayn ass kissing he did for years was something he never believed in? Perhaps he doesn't share her atheism. Big deal. He certainly believes in her economic principles, the same model that Greenspan found a "flaw" in.
TS, I honestly don't know why education has gotten so expensive. Like healthcare, it's one area that is harder to hid inflation in. Gotta's obligatory gubment comment probably has the typical grain of truth, but then if rates now skyrocket on student loans, the fabulous market should correct itself right?
Don't know Max, if the loan approval rates for a BS in basketweaving and full semester party planning is no more difficult to get than it use to be, regardless the rates, 'cause its government backed, I am sure that they will find folks to fill the classes.... after all, what is todays higher education for but a right of passage....
gottaloveit is correct, every time the U.S. Gov made more credit avail, higher education jacked up tuition.
Everyone has a right to a degree is destroying the quality of our education. In over half of these institutions now, more than 50% of their students take remedial math and English.
TS, I would have to agree that there seem to be a lot of degrees out there that do not translate into something useful in the real world. I was also going to make a comment about college becoming a right of passage and that can't be ignored. I would like to see the system change to where you could continue to go to public school via a community college set up for everything short of a major, IE for high level math, English, sciences etc. Then make universities the place where you go to get a specialized major and where you foot the bill.
I've watched the cost of getting BS'd climb. Have not been able to find one justification for how it has eclipsed inflation. I know I've seen lots of construction of wonderful looking new buildings, but have questioned the necessity of some. And those darned staff costs . . .
How much does a university professor get paid? Is the sabbatical a paid benefit? All benefits covered while on sabbatical. Is that a 40 hour work week they put in? normal 2080 hours a year worked. How many support people work for the typical university? What's the pension plan look like or do they have a 401K like most in private business?
When you find out you will have your answer as to why it cost so much for a college degree.
How much should they be paid? Are they as grossly overpaid as a wall street trader? Should they make so little that they can't survive without a summer job because their lives should be no better then ours if we are paying their salary? I get a little wound up about this because I always feel like the anger is directed at the teacher. It's their fault it's so expensive. It's their fault that absent parents who don't give a shit treat school like it's baby sitting. We don't respect teachers in this country at all, we look at them like they are our bitch meant to serve our spoiled children and kiss our ass for funding their allegedly extravagant life style with our taxes.
Half of the credits of my BSN were earned in a community college and I think that's how it should be. I paid taxes living in Chicago, and in return I received a very fair rate on my credit hour. Those schools were no frills. Some maybe had a gym, or a pool, but the majority of school space in City of Chicago Colleges was devoted to education. Paying 5k for a college level math class is ridiculous, but if you go to a prestigious school, that is what you will pay.
Not to worry, between the rising cost of school and rising cost to finance education, we will shortly put going to college out of reach for most young people. Then they can sit at home and lose themselves in the fantasy of Atlas Shrugged
ReplyDeleteI do wonder what your theory is on how and why education costs have risen so dramatically?
DeleteThe real reason for the increase of college tuition is the governments total takeover of the loan programs that anyone with a pulse can get. It is easy to raise your prices when everyone gets a subsidized government loan to buy your product.
DeleteMax,
DeleteThe thinly veiled suggestion that Paul Ryan adores everything Ayn Rand stood for is not accurate, if that is you suggestion. At least, he went to the trouble of spelling that out in an interview a few weeks ago.
Jean
I call bullshit on that Jean, you can believe what you like. He is denouncing her now because he doesn't want to keep answering questions about it. Within the last year, there were several speeches he gave where he sang her praises. let's suppose you are correct though. Are we really supposed to believe that all the Ayn ass kissing he did for years was something he never believed in? Perhaps he doesn't share her atheism. Big deal. He certainly believes in her economic principles, the same model that Greenspan found a "flaw" in.
DeleteTS, I honestly don't know why education has gotten so expensive. Like healthcare, it's one area that is harder to hid inflation in. Gotta's obligatory gubment comment probably has the typical grain of truth, but then if rates now skyrocket on student loans, the fabulous market should correct itself right?
Don't know Max, if the loan approval rates for a BS in basketweaving and full semester party planning is no more difficult to get than it use to be, regardless the rates, 'cause its government backed, I am sure that they will find folks to fill the classes.... after all, what is todays higher education for but a right of passage....
Deletegottaloveit is correct, every time the U.S. Gov made more credit avail, higher education jacked up tuition.
DeleteEveryone has a right to a degree is destroying the quality of our education. In over half of these institutions now, more than 50% of their students take remedial math and English.
TS, I would have to agree that there seem to be a lot of degrees out there that do not translate into something useful in the real world. I was also going to make a comment about college becoming a right of passage and that can't be ignored. I would like to see the system change to where you could continue to go to public school via a community college set up for everything short of a major, IE for high level math, English, sciences etc. Then make universities the place where you go to get a specialized major and where you foot the bill.
DeleteI've watched the cost of getting BS'd climb. Have not been able to find one justification for how it has eclipsed inflation. I know I've seen lots of construction of wonderful looking new buildings, but have questioned the necessity of some. And those darned staff costs . . .
ReplyDeleteJust a question.
ReplyDeleteHow much does a university professor get paid? Is the sabbatical a paid benefit? All benefits covered while on sabbatical. Is that a 40 hour work week they put in? normal 2080 hours a year worked. How many support people work for the typical university? What's the pension plan look like or do they have a 401K like most in private business?
When you find out you will have your answer as to why it cost so much for a college degree.
How much should they be paid? Are they as grossly overpaid as a wall street trader? Should they make so little that they can't survive without a summer job because their lives should be no better then ours if we are paying their salary? I get a little wound up about this because I always feel like the anger is directed at the teacher. It's their fault it's so expensive. It's their fault that absent parents who don't give a shit treat school like it's baby sitting. We don't respect teachers in this country at all, we look at them like they are our bitch meant to serve our spoiled children and kiss our ass for funding their allegedly extravagant life style with our taxes.
DeleteHalf of the credits of my BSN were earned in a community college and I think that's how it should be. I paid taxes living in Chicago, and in return I received a very fair rate on my credit hour. Those schools were no frills. Some maybe had a gym, or a pool, but the majority of school space in City of Chicago Colleges was devoted to education. Paying 5k for a college level math class is ridiculous, but if you go to a prestigious school, that is what you will pay.