Thoughts? I think Romney has done excellent. Seems like there is not a "winner" per se, but it's a clear ideological debate. You want socialism? Obama. You want what made America great? Romney.
Obama threw out a lot of positive (but unverifiable) numbers about what his administration has done … why have I not read, seen or felt the positive impact of those numbers but rather felt the negative impact instead?
Obama seemed defeated from the start. I think the stress has gotten to him. Or maybe his internal polling shows him losing. Anyway, two more debates and I'm certain Obama will regain his composure. He was probably just upset that no one in the audience fainted.
Hey guys! Hope all has been well. Been giving politics a rest lately...as best I can.
I'll tell you what, the stage is clean because Romney mopped the floor with the amateur.
Now, We The People need to focus on keeping Romney straight as this election should be a foregone conclusion if there is any shred of intelligence left in the American electorate.
I didn't watch the debate, but I was flipping thru the channels last night and landed on MSNBC's debate coverage. All of the pundits seemed pissed that Obama had such poor showing and were saying that Romney won. I thought Chris Matthews was gonna have a stroke.
I think that tingle thingy got full ramp up to TASER grade. :)
I particularly liked the final tirade ("we've got the knives out" aside)of how Zero "should be watching US (ref MSNBC)" as MSNBC knows "all that already" (ref facts and buried bodies).
Well I suggest Mr Tingles learn another fact, his champ got sliced 'n diced. He's goin' down, Tingles, goin' down. And your lies, misconstrued facts and race card progressive demagoguery will not save him.
Presidential Debate 1 of 3 - Romney wins first round
An energetic Governor Romney outshined a stumbling President Obama in the first debate. His Reagen-esque performance includes rolling over the passive moderator, Jim Lehrer. Mitt Romney has had a rough month in the polls and on YouTube, but his showing tonight might breath life back into the GOP and might even convince independents to take a second look. Romney is on his way to repeating what he did in the 2002 Massachusetts race for governor. Behind in the polls and suffering from a lack of charisma, Romney became passionate and connected with a heavily Democratic electorate in the last five weeks of the campaign.
On the other hand, the President left aside most of the arguments he's been using on the campaign trail and offered a weak defense of his economic policies and his cherished Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare"). His downward glances during Romney's responses and Kermit-the-frog grimaces made for bad television. Is the President tired, distracted, discouraged, or did he send his body double out? The world certainly is on fire, gasoline prices are at an all-time high, and the recovery is slow at best. Mitt only has to focus on the campaign right now and had over fifty hours of live debate experience during long GOP primary process. Still, the President cannot afford another debate disaster like this one. Mitt certainly ruined the mood for Barack and Michelle's 20th wedding anniversary. Maybe Obama’s failure in the first debate is part of the plan to produce the "Mormon Moment." Expect the polls to shift towards Romney in the coming week.
I think most people clearly mistake the position of moderator - it is certainly not their position to verbally muzzle two men of power within an arbitrary two minute constraint when there are 50 years of precedent having led to the moment of confrontation.
I have no qualms about Mr. Lehrer having been bulldozed.
I saw quickly, the usual incidents of 'final comment' consequence notwithstanding, that Zero was being favored (deference to position I suppose) and had opportunity to jab with unsubstantiated commentary expecting no retort.
MR unexpectedly but respectfully took the "Homie don' play lik dat" position as well he should have. Not a full M240 frontal assault I would have liked to have seen (it was begining to formulate in the final minutes) but no one should be so cavalierly flippant and not expect to be summarily 2x4d, even Obama.
Media here in Australia generally reported favourably on the Republican performance. The debate was shown live via satellite on our TV at 1130 AM. Unfortunately I had to go to a lunch party so missed it.
I agree with Funky, Chris Mathews, ironically, reminded me a lot of Zell Miller screaming that John Kerry was going to defend the nation with spit balls. Anyone still whining about the liberal media should have watched MSNBC last night, you could not have found a more bitter group of people. Obama lost this debate, there is no way around that.
Why I have come to hate the Democratic party has much to do with the fact they are flat out incapable of ever making a simple, fucking, point. Romney, repeatedly pounded Obama with bullshit, but he masterfully chose bullshit to sling that a majority of people will simply not be motivated enough to actually research. And then, in a masterful display of Hutzpah, tells Obama that just repeating a lie over and over does not make it true.
That is what 'more experienced' ( :-) )people tell me. From what I've seen, I think a periodic system rinse and flush is a good thing. The message needs to get across that it's about us the voters, not them, the politicians, yes?
"The message needs to get across that it's about us the voters, not them, the politicians, yes?" Rhetorical, no?
One of my favorite adages is, "If you can't spot the sucker when you walk in the room, you're the sucker". Here and there, I am hearing a theme that the Republicans are really laser beam focused on controlling the houses of congress rather then the presidency. Bush, IMO, was nowhere near being the mastermind of what congress produced, and I think that was by design. While Romney was schooling Obama last night, how many conservatives were actually happy to hear what he said about regulation? Romney was openly reviled by the right in the primaries and now here he is trying to woo alleged undecided voters by promising to work across the aisle. How many Republicans actually like that idea? Romney is the sucker.
Bush Sr., Lou, was the last Republican. There was plenty I disagreed with him on, but, he retained some sense of knowing that at times, you must compromise and do something you don't want to do. That sense of stewardship is gone from both parties.
MAx, The problem being, voters will decide the election not on the issues, economy, employment but on who they like. The likability factor. Some will vote their pocket book, some their party line, some likability, some the actual issues.
Which will win out in the end? I suspect it will be the likability factor.
And Max, Clinton was the last Democrat to reach across the isle to govern the country.
Have to agree with just about all of that. Clinton, I believe, gets a little more credit then he probably deserves for reaching across the aisle. He got more then a few things shoved down his throat by Republicans but ultimately caught some in good luck in that Newt self destructed and Dole was not 1/1000th the douchebag that McConnell is. While I believe he did do many very stealthy things that helped the middle class, he also signed off on some major things that also screwed them badly such as NAFTA and the repeal of Glass/Steagall.
In one respect, I think he was very smart in that he seemed to know when to pick his battles and when to make it look like he was being bipartisan when the reality was that something was going to pass whether he agreed with it or not. As you state very well, however, perception is key and it will decide this election.
changed my mind Romney is winning this debate. But will it translate to votes? He certainly isn't losing votes.
ReplyDeleteRomeny did well but was, imo, still TOO nice.
ReplyDeleteObama threw out a lot of positive (but unverifiable) numbers about what his administration has done … why have I not read, seen or felt the positive impact of those numbers but rather felt the negative impact instead?
Obama seemed defeated from the start. I think the stress has gotten to him. Or maybe his internal polling shows him losing. Anyway, two more debates and I'm certain Obama will regain his composure. He was probably just upset that no one in the audience fainted.
ReplyDeleteHey guys! Hope all has been well. Been giving politics a rest lately...as best I can.
ReplyDeleteI'll tell you what, the stage is clean because Romney mopped the floor with the amateur.
Now, We The People need to focus on keeping Romney straight as this election should be a foregone conclusion if there is any shred of intelligence left in the American electorate.
Much love,
Jim
Hiya Jimbo :-)
ReplyDeleteI didn't watch the debate, but I was flipping thru the channels last night and landed on MSNBC's debate coverage. All of the pundits seemed pissed that Obama had such poor showing and were saying that Romney won. I thought Chris Matthews was gonna have a stroke.
Romney must've done well.
That tingly feeling on his leg was Matthews pissing himself.
DeleteCould've been. He was all but screaming, "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!" at the Obama camp.
DeleteIt was kinda funny.
I think that tingle thingy got full ramp up to TASER grade. :)
DeleteI particularly liked the final tirade ("we've got the knives out" aside)of how Zero "should be watching US (ref MSNBC)" as MSNBC knows "all that already" (ref facts and buried bodies).
Well I suggest Mr Tingles learn another fact, his champ got sliced 'n diced. He's goin' down, Tingles, goin' down. And your lies, misconstrued facts and race card progressive demagoguery will not save him.
Presidential Debate 1 of 3 - Romney wins first round
ReplyDeleteAn energetic Governor Romney outshined a stumbling President Obama in the first debate. His Reagen-esque performance includes rolling over the passive moderator, Jim Lehrer. Mitt Romney has had a rough month in the polls and on YouTube, but his showing tonight might breath life back into the GOP and might even convince independents to take a second look. Romney is on his way to repeating what he did in the 2002 Massachusetts race for governor. Behind in the polls and suffering from a lack of charisma, Romney became passionate and connected with a heavily Democratic electorate in the last five weeks of the campaign.
On the other hand, the President left aside most of the arguments he's been using on the campaign trail and offered a weak defense of his economic policies and his cherished Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare"). His downward glances during Romney's responses and Kermit-the-frog grimaces made for bad television. Is the President tired, distracted, discouraged, or did he send his body double out? The world certainly is on fire, gasoline prices are at an all-time high, and the recovery is slow at best. Mitt only has to focus on the campaign right now and had over fifty hours of live debate experience during long GOP primary process. Still, the President cannot afford another debate disaster like this one. Mitt certainly ruined the mood for Barack and Michelle's 20th wedding anniversary. Maybe Obama’s failure in the first debate is part of the plan to produce the "Mormon Moment." Expect the polls to shift towards Romney in the coming week.
Good morning
But O still has great negative commercials.
DeleteYeah, a lot of liberals are blaming the lose on the moderator Jim Lehrer. Obviously Jim didn't do his liberal duty and shutdown Romney.
DeleteFrom the start, it was obviously that Lehrer didn't want a candid moment where the audience might boo the moderator.
Still, my personal feeling is that the debate was well moderated.
I think most people clearly mistake the position of moderator - it is certainly not their position to verbally muzzle two men of power within an arbitrary two minute constraint when there are 50 years of precedent having led to the moment of confrontation.
DeleteI have no qualms about Mr. Lehrer having been bulldozed.
I saw quickly, the usual incidents of 'final comment' consequence notwithstanding, that Zero was being favored (deference to position I suppose) and had opportunity to jab with unsubstantiated commentary expecting no retort.
MR unexpectedly but respectfully took the "Homie don' play lik dat" position as well he should have. Not a full M240 frontal assault I would have liked to have seen (it was begining to formulate in the final minutes) but no one should be so cavalierly flippant and not expect to be summarily 2x4d, even Obama.
Media here in Australia generally reported favourably on the Republican performance. The debate was shown live via satellite on our TV at 1130 AM. Unfortunately I had to go to a lunch party so missed it.
ReplyDeleteCheers from Aussie
I agree with Funky, Chris Mathews, ironically, reminded me a lot of Zell Miller screaming that John Kerry was going to defend the nation with spit balls. Anyone still whining about the liberal media should have watched MSNBC last night, you could not have found a more bitter group of people. Obama lost this debate, there is no way around that.
ReplyDeleteWhy I have come to hate the Democratic party has much to do with the fact they are flat out incapable of ever making a simple, fucking, point. Romney, repeatedly pounded Obama with bullshit, but he masterfully chose bullshit to sling that a majority of people will simply not be motivated enough to actually research. And then, in a masterful display of Hutzpah, tells Obama that just repeating a lie over and over does not make it true.
Today's Democratic party is not the Democratic party of past years. It's sad as the same can be said of the Republican party.
DeleteIt's all about me, staying in office and buying votes.
Iouman,
DeleteThat is what 'more experienced' ( :-) )people tell me. From what I've seen, I think a periodic system rinse and flush is a good thing. The message needs to get across that it's about us the voters, not them, the politicians, yes?
Jean
People have changed. People vote their own interests instead of looking at the issues and the problems we face as a country.
Delete"The message needs to get across that it's about us the voters, not them, the politicians, yes?" Rhetorical, no?
ReplyDeleteOne of my favorite adages is, "If you can't spot the sucker when you walk in the room, you're the sucker". Here and there, I am hearing a theme that the Republicans are really laser beam focused on controlling the houses of congress rather then the presidency. Bush, IMO, was nowhere near being the mastermind of what congress produced, and I think that was by design. While Romney was schooling Obama last night, how many conservatives were actually happy to hear what he said about regulation? Romney was openly reviled by the right in the primaries and now here he is trying to woo alleged undecided voters by promising to work across the aisle. How many Republicans actually like that idea? Romney is the sucker.
Bush Sr., Lou, was the last Republican. There was plenty I disagreed with him on, but, he retained some sense of knowing that at times, you must compromise and do something you don't want to do. That sense of stewardship is gone from both parties.
MAx,
ReplyDeleteThe problem being, voters will decide the election not on the issues, economy, employment but on who they like. The likability factor. Some will vote their pocket book, some their party line, some likability, some the actual issues.
Which will win out in the end? I suspect it will be the likability factor.
And Max, Clinton was the last Democrat to reach across the isle to govern the country.
Have to agree with just about all of that. Clinton, I believe, gets a little more credit then he probably deserves for reaching across the aisle. He got more then a few things shoved down his throat by Republicans but ultimately caught some in good luck in that Newt self destructed and Dole was not 1/1000th the douchebag that McConnell is. While I believe he did do many very stealthy things that helped the middle class, he also signed off on some major things that also screwed them badly such as NAFTA and the repeal of Glass/Steagall.
DeleteIn one respect, I think he was very smart in that he seemed to know when to pick his battles and when to make it look like he was being bipartisan when the reality was that something was going to pass whether he agreed with it or not. As you state very well, however, perception is key and it will decide this election.
Max,
DeleteThat's what governing is all about, picking your battles, trading. Give and take. There has been little of that since 2009.