Ah....he lies
Ben Carson admits making up West Point scholarship
Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson's campaign admitted Friday that the former neurosurgeon fabricated a story about applying to and being accepted at West Point. Carson's campaign made the admission in response to an inquiry from Politico. West Point has no record of Carson applying for admission, Politico said. In Carson's book "Gifted Hands," he says he got a "full scholarship" to the military academy.
Here is the link : http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598
ReplyDeleteAnd the rebuttal: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259402-carsons-camp-he-did-not-fabricate-anything
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ReplyDeleteThese are the two passages directly from his book... He never stated that he got a scholarship nor does he say he applied for it. I found it highly disappointing when I first read the article about this... while it might yet be an embellishment, he was the top of he's ROTC group, he was introduced to Westmorland, and he never said out right that he got a scholarship. While I am concerned that this kind of puffery may glorify his rags to riches story... I don't think it had much barring on his ability to do top flight surgery.
ReplyDelete"Afterward, Sgt. Hunt introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.
I didn't refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn't where I saw myself going."
"No matter how many other career choices I considered, I couldn't think of anything else in the whole world I wanted more than being a doctor. I remembered the scholarship offer from West Point. A teaching career? Business? None of these areas held any real interest."
bearing...bearing on his ability.....
ReplyDeleteThe media begins tearing down the right's candidates.
ReplyDeleteHillary telling lies mean nothing however misreporting by Politico seems to be the norm with the biased media.
Ben Carson defended his long-told story of a "scholarship" to West Point today, responding to scrutiny by saying that he merely had received an "informal" offer of a free ride to the military academy.
"Because I had done so extraordinarily well you know I was told that someone like me [could] get a scholarship to West Point," Carson told the New York Times. "It was, you know, an informal ‘with a record like yours we could easily get you a scholarship to West Point.'"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/ben-carsons-allies-defend-west-point-story-he-got-an-offer-did-not-apply/
I do believe the left is completely filled with racists.
Delete"I do believe the left is completely filled with racists."
DeleteOf course it is.
As the left has claimed that the right hates Obama because of his race, the left must hate Carson because of his race also. Tell me it isn't so.
DeleteWednesday, October 23, 2013
The Tea Party Hates Obama Because He's Black
Fidel Castro says "racist right" hates Obama because he's black
Chris Matthews: Racist right-wingers hate Obama more than al-Qaeda
A few examples, so if Chris and Fidel say it, it must be so.
Yes Mike... just like all of those white privilege people who speak without thinking by saying ‘they’ or those chauvinist men who call a women of small stature a ‘Lovely little lady’... Liberals have their own way of innocently but overtly being racist... like ... well, most social programs that do more to hold people back than lift them up. If you can’t see that, perhaps you need some sensitivity indoctrination training....
Delete"like ... well, most social programs that do more to hold people back than lift them up. If you can’t see that, perhaps you need some sensitivity indoctrination training...."'
DeleteI'm holding up a card with the number 8 on it. It's not your best work, but you did work in a completely unrelated quote about how social programs hold people back. Unlike many who post here, I can readily admit leftist hypocrisy. There are indeed plenty who, though I would not use the term racist, are off the rails unrealistic in their thinking. That said, I seriously doubt we will see liberals hanging empty chairs if indeed Carson is elected. The entirety of the right is not racist, however, they have repeatedly been called out for an obvious bias in their elected officials to elevate better than 90% white dudes. Scrutinizing Carson gives them a chance to throw back some righteous indignation. That's really all this is about.
There is not a candidate alive who does not get pissed off when the media asks them questions they don't want to answer or more importantly, can't answer well. It's become an unquestioned fact that Obama, allegedly, never faced any scrutiny. This kind of shit that the media digs up on people is meant to get a reaction and get people hooked in to the opiate and run around yelling about it for or against. At this point in every recent election, the front winner did not go on to win the race and it had nothing to do with the media. But, this may be the one and only event that allows the right to unload all it's racist indignation. Enjoy the day.
The entirety of the right is not racist, however, they have repeatedly been called out for an obvious bias in their elected officials to elevate better than 90% white dudes. Scrutinizing Carson gives them a chance to throw back some righteous indignation. That's really all this is about.
DeleteI thought that it was about finding the best qualified for the job... now if that means a white person is that racist?.... and if you elect someone based on color... is that not even more racist?
Unlike many who post here, I can readily admit leftist hypocrisy.
DeleteWell, Mike... that is all well and good except that waving your arms in the air and pulling the lever to elect them seems somewhat hypocritical... Keeping in mind before you give me a typical retort... I have yet to vote for a winning president... I vote for the constitution, rule of law and integrity... not many candidates running on that platform...
If this is about finding the best qualified for the job then Ben Carson isn't it. Here is a man who has no experience in government and a seemly pretty shallow understanding of the issues of todays country and world and the dangers of this world we live in. he is right up there next to Donald Trump as far as his understanding of our world. Maybe not as flamboyant and bombastic but still no more knowledgeable. face it TS and William you like him because he does and always has toed the tea party line. This shit about having an outsider is just that..... shit. Now is not the time. We are finishing up with a quasi outsider who took 4 years to learn the job. In today's world we don't have 4 years for someone to learn to be president
Delete. And TS if that is considered racial by you and you want to call me racist then you are a fool. I have a highly blended and inter-racial family. I don't nor have I ever held any mans skin color against him/her. What TS would you do if your daughter came dragging in a hispanic husband? I know what I would do accept him for who he is. What TS would you do when your other daughter brings home a black boyfriend? I know what I would do accept him for who he is. How do I know? Welcome to my world TS. All I ask of either of them is to be good to my daughters and give them a good life same as I would ask of any white husband/ boyfriend. So never my friend throw a racist stone in my direction. I have been through all that shit. Gasp you say? Love knows no color TS nor does respect. Ben Carson plain and simply is not qualified to be president. You guys are looking for anyone who you think can beat Hillary Clinton, who by the way is highly qualified for the job although probably not the best choice either at this time. We unfortunately lack that charismatic highly skilled leader that we need at this time, not a one of them running on either side would make a decent president. So we pick the best of all the bad choices. we go with someone who is ready not someone who has to learn politics then learn to govern then learn to be the president.
Firstly Rick, I haven't given Ben Carson one favorable comment... I just think the thing about West Point was low level muckraking.
DeleteAs for the race think, you totally missed my point. Mike said "The entirety of the right is not racist, however, they have repeatedly been called out for an obvious bias in their elected officials to elevate better than 90% white dudes."
That comment essentially says that the only real reason republicans (white people) elect someone is because they are racist. If that is the case then all I am saying is that electing someone just because they are not white is no less racist.... don't get your knickers in a twist... you have no idea who my daughter is married to....
"This shit about having an outsider is just that..... shit. Now is not the time. We are finishing up with a quasi outsider who took 4 years to learn the job. In today's world we don't have 4 years for someone to learn to be president"
DeletePerhaps we should just dig up FDR... Jurassic park him back to life and get rid of those pesky term limits..... that would make some folks realllll happy.
Rick,
DeleteWhy must it be about the most qualified? It certainly wasn't when Obama was elected and re-elected. Interesting how the narrative changes with the left.
Let's try this TS, If I had to pick one food to eat for the rest of my life, I would pick pizza. I'm comfortable with pizza. I like pizza. I can envision what pizza will taste like everytime I think about it. now there are plenty of other really, really good foods out there. I actually really enjoy Indian food. Get a good Samosa, some spicy channa and some garlic naan, and that is near transcendent. But when it comes to everyday comfort, I will pick pizza. The Republicans seem to value white men the way a value pizza. make of that what you will.
DeleteAs for my hyposcrisy, last time I checked, the founding fathers were not running. I'm kind of hearing in your post that maybe I should just shut up because I don't maintain your level of purity when it comes to voting. As always, you have the perfect out. Everyone is wrong because they dont' have enough spine to be pure like you. Plenty of other people here vote too TS who probably don't back the purity ticket like you do. maybe you should tell everyone else here they are are just as blind as me even if they agree with you because they perpetuate the problem by voting for a candidate who actually has a chance of winning.
I humbly apologize for ruining the country you love.
Louman if you would for once in your life read you will see that I stated that it took Obama 4 years to learn the job of president. You know at the time he was probably the better of two bad choices.
DeleteBoy TS that would be great but we don't have to get a dead man reborn, Slick Willie will do. You know who I really liked as president. You know who had guts, spunk, and courage, Harry S Truman. he would do about now.
DeleteI don’t intend to come across as morally superior or condescending; I am just saying that you can’t vote for something and then say you don’t agree with what they do. Integrity is my criteria for a candidate. If that were the main criteria everyone used, perhaps we would get people who do what they say and say what they will do.
DeleteWhile I don’t agree with what he sees as problems or at least what he sees as solutions, Bernie Sanders is one of the more genuine people to come along. The like Ron Paul stood on their convictions. He is however someone who would kill the middle class in favor of the proletariat.. Common Core would get an even more radical rewrite and would move us even farther away from the rule of law.
Genuine or not I couldn’t vote for him but if more people were elected on their convictions, we might actually get to a place where this country really wants to be. I disdain candidates who play to their base and move to the center for votes... they cannot be trusted. Either the base will be disappointed or the people who voted for a moderate. I may never vote for a winning president but at least I know what I stand for and whether you agree with my reasoning or not... I don’t think I equivocate too much.
If we compare the "smut": campaign by the Right against HRC we can draw our own conclusions based on our political viewpoint, our integrity in evaluating the reports and perhaps even the oft maligned male disposition towards chivalry ,HRC is after all a woman ...
ReplyDeleteCan I suggest that this is simply a tit for tat attack and from the facts as I know them, with a little more ammunition than has been available to the right. Carson’s rebuttal is simply unbelievable; his claim in the first place demonstrates a questionable mindset and leaves me just a tad doubtful of his intellectual capacity to hold the office of POTUS. Having said that, I believe the nation requires a change and of the possible candidates, Carson would have the best chance to lead, repeat lead your Nation towards the future.
Cheers from Aussie
Is it a smut campaign if in fact she lied which apparently she has on numerous topics.
DeleteTit for tat?
When has the media gone after Hillary for her lies???
As to Carson, you can believe the crap from politico a left wing media outlet or perhaps you can read what Carson said.
Ben Carson defended his long-told story of a "scholarship" to West Point today, responding to scrutiny by saying that he merely had received an "informal" offer of a free ride to the military academy.
"Because I had done so extraordinarily well you know I was told that someone like me [could] get a scholarship to West Point," Carson told the New York Times. "It was, you know, an informal ‘with a record like yours we could easily get you a scholarship to West Point.'"
As an informational point, no one pays for their education at West Point every person attending receives a scholarship in return for 6 years of service in the military. If he would have applied and were accepted he would have had a scholarship.
“I remember landing under sniper fire,” she said in Washington on Monday. “There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”
DeleteHillary Clinton has conceded that she "did misspeak" about landing in Bosnia under sniper fire, blaming tiredness for a dramatic description that was shown to have been significantly exaggerated.
Now even apologists have to remember this flat out fabrication... It wasn’t an embellishment and it wasn’t 40 or 50 years earlier to cloud her memory of exact wording or dates of events.
I remember the chivalry of which you speak and as a good southern boy I regularly, to this day, address women ‘Mam’... much to the chagrin of women 30 or more years my junior. We use to unequivocally protect our women because they were after all the mothers and nurturers of our children and keepers of the homes in which we all found sanctuary. We protected them because of their lack of exposure to the harsh world outside; we protected them because they we physically incapable of fending off a physical attack by a man.... we defended them because the bible implored us to do so. My dad taught me to never hit a woman... he never said that I should let her walk all over me.
My question is... when do we look at the actions and character of a person before we consider their gender (If in these days of ‘gender indeterminate’ we even need to consider such trivial matters)? When is someone who puts themselves in your face with lies, deceptions and manipulations to be treated as such regardless of sex? When does integrity matter more than gender?
So government programs hold people back, but chivalry does not? You describe, as usual, an idealized word TS that really does not match what happens in reality. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you do not look down on women as somehow not equal to men. But I nonetheless believe there is plenty of oppression buried in what many describe as honoring and protecting women.
DeleteWomen in the working world, the academic world, and basically any world have more than proven their ability to compete and in many cases, perform better than men. However, they have always been paid less. In the office, they get slapped on the ass, and they have men openly tell them complimentary things like, "Nice tits baby". Within a chivalrous outlook, there is an honest desire to see the women we love not have to endure the hardship of a basically cruel world and we wish to spare them. For some reason, it's okay to take an attitude that women need to be protected, but for black people or any other race who endures essentially the same treatment of second class citizen in the working world. I get your point TS, and I'm not honestly not trying to brow beat you, but I think you are sometimes unwilling to acknowledge that a contrast exists between your idealized views and what happens in the real world. Further, I would offer that many liberals have the same blind spot
I don't know that you and I are disagreeing with each other. As much as the world of once upon a time existed and while I will acknowledge the unfairness of it, society in a good many aspects was a kinder and more civil world.(Yes, I know blacks swung from trees and women got the back hand... but not from everyone... and not everyone from the south)
DeleteThe world as you say is a different place... it is King who seems to want to give Hillary a pass because she is a woman... she long sense lost that particular designation with me... I see nothing but a power hungry, lying and corrupt individual that deserves to be called out for being just that...
I still call women Mam... and hold the door open as a polite person would... even if I get told off on occasion by some sanctimonious female who still seeks law to make her equal rather than her using her own superior negotiating skills or creating her own competitive company... I would assume that you believe that they (women) have that ability or you would declare that they have no business in the White House.
Lou
ReplyDelete"Because I had done so extraordinarily well you know I was told that someone like me [could] get a scholarship to West Point," Carson told the New York Times. "It was, you know, an informal ‘with a record like yours we could easily get you a scholarship to West Point.'"
The above is a direct quote from the NYT, surely a reputable publication. Is this quote which I find incongruous from the candidate.
I hold a candle for none of the candidates from either party, I do however enjoy trying ( and mostly failing) to understand the debates and the side shows which the campaigns generate.
Cheers from Aussie
The NYT is hardly an unbiased newspaper/source. Has a tendency to lean hard left.
DeleteThe reality is no one pays for an education at West Point. Every person that attends agrees to military service in exchange for tuition a form of scholarship.
If he would have applied and accepted which seems he would have from his past education he would have received the education as well as served in the US military.
My point is the issue dug up by CNN and dragged through the media hardly is notable compared to the lies of Hillary yet they are ignored by the media. Much like Romney beating up a kid when he was at Cranbrook, in his early teens or his transporting a dog on the rood of his auto in his 20's. Certainly all could be considered muck raking yet the Hillary stories are ignored and certainly her transgressions are current.
King here's the deal. Every news source in America in Lou William and The Scotts eyes except Brietbart and Fox news leans left, protects progressives from all the evils of the world and brow beats conservatives like there is no tomorrow. This is what FOX News has taught our voters who listen to that shit daily. It's called dumbing them down and it's what corporate America wants to do to our wonderful country.
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ReplyDeleteDr. Carson sure does have the progressives panties in a knot. Leagions of lawyers scan every word, every utterance from 50 years ago. We can't look at BO'S transcripts for the next 50 years, and HRC'S college thesis was covered up all during reprobate husbands Billy's two terms.
ReplyDeleteCarson scares the pee out of these leftests.
I'll reserve my fear for when and if Trump or Carson are still standing come election time.
DeleteWell Max, the fears of the right is if a Sanders or Clinton is nominated as neither represent the best of the democratic party.
DeleteIn any case the country has survived 7 years of Obama the country could certainly survive Carson or Trump.
In Sanders, at least, we have a person who has voted like a Democrat. We could survive 7 years of Trump, not so sure about Carson. Objectively, I would think that the houses would take over at that point and actually do their jobs, which would be a novel concept. Most of them believe the POTUS should be just a figurehead anyway, so Carson might actually be a good choice.
DeleteI've heard Ben Carson is now claiming he was offered a full scholarship to study Egyptian grain storage and to correct the second law of thermodynamics but got distracted by a knife fight.
ReplyDeleteI don't know about that but Joseph did build the pyramids. And Ben can see Russia from his house.
DeleteAnd Hillary consults with Eleanor Roosevelt on policy.
DeleteWhich would affect the country more, a person who consults the dead for policy decisions or perhaps a person who thinks the Pyramids were built for grain storage?
I love the current positioning going on with regards to Bernie and the Democratic Socialists of America. It is of course better if Bernie isn't so closely identified with the organization in an attempt to make socialism more salable.... so the attempt to actively distance a previous dues paying card carrier and the organization. This little twitter exchange kinda says it all... but of course if 20 years in the pews of Jeremiah Wright's church doesn't mean anything... Burnie's hard left affiliation certainly doesn't... does it?
ReplyDelete“…you do realize paying dues once does not necessarily make you a lifetime affiliate of DSA, don’t you?” – Democratic Socialists of America on Twitter, September 8, 2015
“How many times does one need to speak to the Ku Klux Klan before he is identified as a KKK sympathizer?” –Trevor Loudon
The KKK another far right affiliation. Oh no you say. White supremacy, Nationalism, Nativism, Anti Communism, Christian assault, Homophobism, neo fascist, kinda sounds tea partyish to me.
DeleteKinda went off on a tangent their didn't you Rick.... Sanders is and has been so far up the ass of the Communist ideology that his little band of socialists use to proudly call themselves 'Sandernistas' for their support of the Nicaraguan rebels... I believe de Blasio even went down to give them support.... if they were into fitness they could do a video with Jane...
DeleteAny senior who collects social security lives in opposition to your views about socialism TS.
DeleteI now collect social security Mike.. so I am part of the 'Any'.. I don't absolutely have to because good guidance from my father made sure I understood that social security was a 'supplement' and not a retirement plan. I will collect it because it is a supplement but if it disappeared tomorrow... I and my wife would survive.
DeleteOver one half of social security recipients could not live without it... most of them were lulled into the belief that it was retirement and that it was perpetual even though annual statements make it quite clear that it is only as secure as the next vote.
What I would like to see, like phased age for retirement is a phasing out of payments past the amount contributed... That would give most people about 3 or 4 years of monthly checks... that would get peoples attention.
PS.. Social programs are not my main focus when it comes to the hideous ideology of Socialism. States have always had the right to create these programs but were cautious for a couple of reasons.. most people know the harm the CAN do and states don't have the luxury of being fiscally irresponsible. Where I have problems with these programs is that they were never a provision of the national government... 'promote' and 'provide' after all have two different meanings.
Any senior who collects social security lives in opposition to your views about socialism
DeletePeople collecting SS see SS as payment for what's due them as they paid in all their lives. The same applies to their view on medicare.
The government said give us your money and we will return it to you when you retire.