State Dept Won’t Say Whether Hillary Signed Crucial Records Form,
Committed Felony
by Brendan Bordelon March 12, 2015 2:54 PM
State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki couldn’t tell reporters on
Thursday if Hillary Clinton signed an official records form presented to
all employees as they leave the department — a crucial question in
determining whether the former Secretary of State committed a felony by
failing to turn over government e-mail records.
Former Department of Justice lawyer and National Review contributing
editor Shannen Coffin noted this week that Clinton should have signed
form OF-109 as part of her standard exit from the department. That form
declares that she turned over all relevant records at the time of her
departure — and stipulates that any failure to do so could result in
felony fines and jail times.
Clinton did not turn over her government communications to the State
Department until asked for them late last year.
“A former DOJ attorney has asked if, under department policy, Secretary
Clinton — like all officials here in this building, when they depart or
separate from this office, has to sign something called a form OF-109,” a
reporter asked Psaki on Thursday. “It’s a separation statement
declaring that when you leave office, you turn over not just classified
materials, but any documents for official purposes. Did she sign –”
“I think this has been asked,” Psaki interrupted. “It was more than two
years ago. I don’t have an update on that specific question at this
point.”
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On some level William, I enjoy your bitterness. Nothing, outside of discussing GMO's, will send you into a posting frenzy like Hillary Clinton. Like all the little Republican bitches who gleefully wet their skivvies when the Blue dress was found after penultimate failure Ken Starr wasted millions to find nothing on Whitewater, every new story about Hillary seems to stoke your hope that she will be taken down. But she won't.
ReplyDeleteIn my lifetime, there have been some pretty egregious abuses of government power, from Reagan all the way to Obama. I see a trend that is getting worse. I don't think it's anything new, but at one time, I think (and hope) that at least abuse was done in the name of the country rather than the name of some vindictive asshole. Trey bad haircut is just the latest in a string of nobody's to hope that something will stick if he flings enough shit against the wall. And he won't. What he should do is use this as an opportunity to walk away with some grace and say that the evidence he needs to make something out of Benghazi has likely been destroyed and that there isn't much reason to keep wasting tax payer dollars on investigations. This won't happen of course, but it would be a rare moment of common sense.
The phony outrage and "concern" by the far right over Benghazi is both hilariously and disturbingly cynical.
DeleteI'd bet my car that if Clinton doesn't run or if she doesn't win the nomination, Benghazi will be dropped and never, ever mentioned again, save for a few whackadoos on talk radio.
Hullo Mistress,
Deleteyeah, I hear ya. It's just how things are done today.
Pf and Max.
DeletePfunky has said it all in just a few words. By the time the news reaches Aussie it is pretty well filtered and condensed into a para or so in the print media and a snippet on the TV news coverage.
What I have noted in the past few days is a tendency here to report the story more often and in more detail. This is unusual and the Hilary attack is now the largest scandal since the blue dress affair concerning her husband. Pflunky has quite correctly, in my view, nailed the Benghazi business. Do you realize that there has been more written about that particular event than about the problems in Ferguson? Is it the color of the skin or the political slant which is important?
Cheers from Aussie
Last I checked HRC was white and the topic was weather or not she signed a standard document. HRC has already stated that she destroyed documents that were held on her husband's server. There are huge holes in government email records at the time of Benghazi. There are also tens of thousands of classified emails from State department staff and the White House that are unaccounted for.
ReplyDeleteAll this will sort itself out. Nixon's thirteen minutes of missing voice recordings will look like peanuts. There are two ends to every email. Many career State department officials are going to bed each night knowing they may be entangled in ethical and legal proceedings.
Of course all of this can be made whole if the server is turned over. I'm sure there are reasonable answers to everything from Benghazi to Clinton Foundation foreign government donations. I'm sure everything is above board. I'm sure the Clinton server performed a valuable task in shielding our Clinton nobility from the vast right wing conspiracy.
At this point I lower my odds on HRC running to 70/30 against.
William you are so blindly racist that you completely missed Kings point. It's not that HRC is white or black it is that THIS carries more importance with you and others then the now verified abuses in the town of Ferguson Missouri. Of course you wouldn't bother to show any outrage at those abuses of our civil rights laws now would you. Nope you don't like those people anyway.
DeleteRick
DeleteYes that was my point, although I have never considered William to be a racist. I think he is better than that. I do have a little trouble in understanding the Tea Party philosophy because it appears to be so tightly constrained within a very narrow reading of the constitution and an almost messianic reliance on religious faith. The narrowness of the "Tea Party Faith:" is evident in not what William writes but what he omits to acknowledge concerning the other viewpoints. My way or the highway is characteristic of zealotry and apart from this, I enjoy a healthy friendship with the man.
Perhaps I should add that I consider all who contribute here to be my friends, you are never slow to point out my mistakes and everyone will answer a question if I ask. I well remember the flash of light when Louman explained so many points, and you Rick explaining the meaning, uses and misuses of the gerrymander. Of another of the old MW brigade who explained the mysteries of the electoral college and so much more over the years. I have been fortunate in the extreme to have found so many friends.
Cheers from Aussie
The sad part of Rick's post is that Ferguson was not mentioned and just interjected to change the narrative as the left does so often to avoid the question.
DeleteThe issue remains and needs to be answered.
Did Hillary break the LAW?
This isn't about Bush, Reagan, Benghazi, Ferguson, Obama, the Tea Party but,
Did Hillary break the law.
William.
ReplyDeleteIs all the fuss really necessary? is character assassination the way to go in electing a future President? Was the activities of the Birthers a worthwhile exercise? Does anyone remember the old MW site and the thousands of posts printed and then almost immediately removed by MW when Teddy Kennedy died? I have pretty thick skin but I was almost vomiting with disgust after reading some of those posts. Yes I remember Mary Jo and the bridge at Chappaquiddick(?spelling) and like most others I thought the Sen. had a case to answer. Although I cannot be certain, I do believe the investigation was apolitical and the nation has to live by the results. No doubt there were major cover-ups in the Watergate affair. Reagan and Oliver North had much to answer for in the Iran Contra Affair also..
It seems to me that Political individuals and their parties live in glass houses so throwing stones is counter productive.
Cheers from Aussie
I fail to understand how Ferguson, Teddy Kennedy, Reagan, Whitewater, or Watergate have anything to do with the fact that HRC did or did not comply with State Department requirements.
DeleteI mentioned Nixon's voice recorder only because that is where HRC cut her teeth. What goes around comes around. Billy and HRC both lost their law licences over the Monica perjury affair. As good politicians as the two of them are they are just as poor lawyers in the reciprocal. Characters such as these ruin themselves King. They do not require my help.
We will see where all of this leads. At this point her weaknesses are on full display. Who knows, perhaps she will emerge as the greatest woman president in our history.
William my friend, History is a record of the past. No female has yet been elected as POTUS, therefore, if elected, HRC would qualify by default as the greatest woman pres in your history!,. As to making a value judgment, you will have to wait until the future becomes history before that can occur.
DeleteCheers from Aussie
Yes, but even if elected first she would have to be "great." That prospect is highly doubtful. She wasn't much of a first lady for Arkansas and under Billy. She offered no important legislation while in the Senate. And, her term as Sec. of State foreshadowed our overwhelming problems of today.
DeleteGreatest King? That term is relative. Greatest compared to what? One has to be great to be greatest.
K,
DeleteCharacter assassination?
The issue is about, did Hillary break the law?
Proven, Hillary used her own private server for emails.
Did Hillary turnover all emails on the server?
No, she deleted over 35K email she determined were private. Does Hillary now determine what is private and what is government related? Was Hillary's server secure? Until the server is turned over for inspection that cannot be determined.
Is that important? Only if you think all government communications should be public.
Lou.
DeleteGood questions but to what end?. Yes HRC apparently used a non approved server but was the server actually banned for her use?. She claims the server complied with the requirements of her husband during his presidency I believe. It appears that there are accusations being thrown around in order to score political points. The same thing occurred in all the other scandals the opposition or the media have generated over the past decades. Both sides are equally guilty and perhaps it is because they have nothing positive other than the perennial grab for power to offer.
Cheers from Aussie
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DeleteHRC used a private email server for all of her emails when she was President Obama’s secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.
DeleteDuring that time, she enjoyed a security clearance identical to that of the president, the secretary of defense, the director of the CIA and others. It is the highest level of clearance the government makes available.
She had that classified clearance so that she could do her job, which involved knowing and working with military, diplomatic and sensitive national security secrets. The government guards those secrets by requiring high-ranking government officials to keep the documents and emails that reflect them in a secure government-approved venue and to return any retained records when leaving office.
Standard government procedure is for her to have signed an agreement under oath when she began her work at the State Department requiring her to safeguard classified records, and another agreement under oath when she ended her work that she had returned all records to the government.
Seems she violated both agreements, and she violated numerous federal laws.
By using her personal email address — @clintonemail.com — she kept her work documents from the government. Concealing government documents from the government when you work for it is a felony, punishable by up to three years in prison and permanent disqualification from holding public office.
p.s. For anyone in the government to say they didn't know that had recorded an email from HRC is absolutely unfathomable.
@clintonemail.com
Clearly is not a government server.
How Secure Was Hillary Clinton’s Personal Email?
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(Bloomberg) -- A week before becoming secretary of state, Hillary Clinton set up a private e-mail system that gave her a high level of control over communications, including the ability to erase messages completely, according to security experts who have examined Internet records.
“You erase it and everything’s gone,” Matt Devost, a security expert who has had his own private e-mail for years. Commercial services like those from Google Inc. and Yahoo! Inc. retain copies even after users erase them from their in-box.
Although Clinton worked hard to secure the private system, her consultants appear to have set it up with a misconfigured encryption system, something that left it vulnerable to hacking, said Alex McGeorge, head of threat intelligence at Immunity Inc., a Miami Beach-based digital security firm.
The e-mail flap has political significance because Clinton is preparing to announce a bid for the Democratic nomination for president as soon as April. It also reminds voters of allegations of secrecy that surrounded Bill Clinton’s White House. In those years, First Lady Hillary Clinton fought efforts by some White House advisers to turn over information to Whitewater investigators and, later, sought to keep secret records of her task force on health-care reform.
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ReplyDeleteWilliam.
DeleteIs all the fuss really necessary? is character assassination the way to go in electing a future President?
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Again we are talking about the law and a possible FELONY. Remember that her husband was impeached not for having sex with an intern, buy LYING to a grand jury.
Gotta, you must remember that the ends justify the means for these leftest folks. Max, Ric, and phunky care only that their nobility are in control. Matters not that a little thing like the law gets followed.
DeleteI mentioned a week or so ago on another thread to much howling from these loons that our beloved impeached former president might just be married to a felon. Since then I have been called everything from a zealot to a racist. Followers of the threads know that I could give a rats ass about being labeled by the left. If fact, when one considers the source of such dressing down one has to consider it a badge of honor.
Mr.Gowdy will continue to do his job, continue to pursue the truth based on where the facts lead. These emails will emerge. This server will stand as another symbol of the "Clinton - ian age of America." Over twenty years of the degradation and debasement of America.
Interesting.
ReplyDeleteThis started with Did Hillary sign a form and where is it.
The question remains did Hillary break the law?
Did Hillary have permission to use a personal unsecured server for government purposes and did she comply with requests made by congress?
Did Hillary comply with archiving government emails?
Who filtered the emails to determine government relationship vs. private emails?
The most important question: Was US security compromised?
Probably will get the standard HRC reply. What difference does it make?
DeleteThe problem for Ms. Clinton is that they do not sell presidencies on street corners. And if she is once again denied the nomination and the presidency and finds herself asking on January 20, 2017, the inevitable question — “What was it all for?” — the answer will be: Nothing.
DeleteLou
DeleteThis is something I brought up some weeks ago on a thread here. I asked then, as I ask now, will her ego allow HRC to run if she fears the possibility of defeat, either at the convention or at the main event?. Somehow I think she will want some indication that she is of sure fire winner before she makes a move. Ego can be a good or a bad thing and in politics it is often the latter as the egotist rides roughshod over those who have given them the power to exercise their egotistical power.
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DeleteI believe the ego of Clinton will force her to run is she has a chance to win the Demo primary.
DeleteMrs. Clinton is at the moment looking somewhat short of clever. President Clinton not only survived his worst scandal (Monica) but positively thrived off it, because his response hit his conservative tormentors in their most vulnerable spot: their reputation for being scolds and prudes, hypocritical sexual obsessives, etc. Mrs. Clinton’s response to the e-mail controversy, conversely, finds her repeatedly punching herself in her political nose, giving the impression that she is too old and out of touch to understand how e-mail works, that she is curdled, that she is the unslick half of the couple, that she does not have what it takes to do what her husband did to his rivals.