Deleted due to error of fact. Should read: Is this a Congressional enquiry and if so what is the (political) make up of the committee? If not, what is the political makeup of and authority conducting the investigation? If there is a bias (in either direction) can the result of any deliberations be accepted by the US people? I am somewhat jaundiced at present having read Ricks latest post on electoral fraud.
King here is the committee and it is not hand picked by Hilary Clinton. There are 7 republicans and 5 democrats. Already an imbalanced committee. There is one centrist republican so I guess this is where they get balance. It’s up in the air which way he will go. Chair Trey Gowdy R South Carolina introduced a law to sue the president if the house deems he is not enforcing the laws of the land For the defunding of Obamacare and has voted numerous times to repeal it.
Susan Brooks R Indiana 1st term congresswoman not much of a resume. Jim Jordan R Ohio From one of the most republican districts in the country Outspoken critic of Attorney General Eric Holder. Finds him a complete joke.
Mike Pompeo R Kansas Supported the tea party effort to shut down the government Top receiver of Koch Brother and tea party funding currently in the House Opposes closing of Guantanamo Bay Prison Rejected Obama nomination of Sonja Sotomajor to the supreme court Against renewable energy initiatives and global warming theory For the keystone XL pipeline Opposes GMO labelling of food products
Martha Roby r Alabama Tea party adherent strongly endorsed by Sarah Palin Against planned parenthood Against EPA Repeatedly votes to repeal Obamacare Voted to cut food stamps although 41,000 households in her district depend on them for food
Lynn Westmorland R Georgia Introduced legislation to place the ten commandments in the House and Senate Chambers Most conservative member of the House Against the renewal of the Voter Rights Act. Describes Obama as “uppity” a pejorative historically used to describe Black Americans who have achieved social/economic progress Tea Party caucus member
These six, No way that Hilary Clinton would hand pick them. Pete Roskam R Illinois Centrist Republican 4th highest ranking member of Republican House Leadership as Chief Deputy Whip. For renewable energy For expanded stem cell research Under investigation by ethics committee for illegally funded trip to Taiwan paid for by the Taiwanese government That could influence his vote I guess. You know the My back /Your back philosophy. Maybe Maybe Hilary would pick him.
She probably approved of some of the Democrats Elijah Cummings D Maryland 18 year house veteran and long time supporter of the Clintons. Yes she handpicked him.
Adam Smith D Washington (State) Supported Obama over Clinton in 2008 primary elections Supports NSA spying Supports Patriot Act Often acts as surrogate speaker for Obama on the national TV news political discussion programs
Adam Schiff D California Was on 1st Benghazi Committee Called that investigation a “Colossal waste of time” Believes ”talking points” were flawed but not intentionally to deceive. Found security at ALL embassies flawed Current committee “a red Herring and waste of Taxpayer money” agreed to serve to add balance and with his previous experience add insight
Linda Sanchez D California Supports Obama’s programs on renewables, ending subsidies to oil companies, Ending gun hole loopholes for gun purchases, Supports Gay Rights, public infrastructure improvements Cyber bullying legislation, Supports immigration reform with a clear pathway to citizenship for those already living in the US Supports the Dream act.
Tammy Duckworth D Illinois Lost both legs as a helicopter pilot in Iraq, first American female military to undergo double amputation. 1st disabled female ever elected to congress Born in Thailand to an American father Supports ban on semi automatic weapons Early supporter of Additional Veterans Administration funding for influx of Iraq and Afghanistan War veterans who were returning home Supported audit of Actual money spent on the Iraq war
Although William lauds the opening questions on security, that is because he doesn’t understand the difference between an embassy and a consulate. The Republicans keep referring to the Benghazi complex as an embassy but it was not it was a consulate and there is a major difference in how they operate and the security detail attached to each. The Benghazi consulate did ask for additional security, but they did not ask Hilary Clinton for that. It’s not how it works. The consulate was under the command and control of the ambassador in Tripoli, the only embassy in Libya, Chris Stevens. Chris Stevens himself denied the request. It wasn’t Hilary’s or Obama’s call to make. The major difference between a consulate and an embassy and their security force is this, Consulates do not have the ability or the authority to produce classified documents. Embassies do. Therefore embassies are typically guarded by a detachment of US Marines who are stationed on the embassy grounds. Since consulates contain no sensitive material it is common that they are guarded through contracted local authorities and this was the situation in Benghazi. Admiral Mullen was asked during the first day if Hilary Clinton had personally inspected the security of the Benghazi Consulate. What an asinine question. The U S has about 300 embassies and consulates throughout the world. No secretary of State has ever visited each one individually to inspect the security. It’s not in the job description of the secretary of state. They have many many other things to do. There is a book out here in the states written by a couple of the CIA Agents who responded from the secret CIA operation in Benghazi. In the book they claim that they were in fact delayed by the station chief but he did not appear to be getting orders from higher up. They believe he acted alone because he did not want his secret operation to become public knowledge. After 20 minutes these guys disregarded his order to stand down and went to the consulate without his permission. These are the so called new witnesses to the event. The new information. This is already smelling like the witch hunt that it is. The republican party so fears that they cannot beat Hilary Clinton in 2016 that they will continue waste taxpayer money on this nonsense. So much for the tax savers huh? They don’t want to save taxpayers a dime. They only want to call the shots of how taxpayer money is spent. Just another FOX NEWS Circus piece to dis-inform some more voters. Hey can we send that scumbag Rupert Murdoch back to Australia. PLEASE!
ric, you have listed the Select Committee members, not the Accountability Review Board that was hand picked by State.
" the State Department announced on October 4, 2012 an Accountability Review Board "to examine the facts and circumstances of the attacks."[276] Four members were selected by Clinton and another was selected by Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper. "
You remember Clapper, the guy that said that they wouldn't "knowingly lie" to congress.
Former Obama Official: That Benghazi Accountability Review Was Not Independent
by Bryan Preston
September 17, 2014 - 11:18 am
Today’s House Select Committee hearing on Benghazi was short of fireworks or revelations. But former Obama Homeland Security official Todd Keil was asked directly whether the State Department’s Accountability Review Board, which was hand-picked by then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, was as “fiercely independent as she and members of that board have claimed.
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) asked Keil “What’s your overall impression of the ARB report?”
Keil replied, “Ambassador Pickering referred to the ARB as being ‘fiercely independent.’ In that same hearing, Admiral Mullen admitted to Oversight and Government Reform that he was reporting on ARB proceedings to staff of the State Department, outside of the precepts and requirements of being a member of the ARB.
“I don’t think that fits anyone’s definition of being ‘fiercely independent.’”
"the vaunted “Accountability Review Board” (ARB), did not even bother to interview Mrs. Clinton despite her pivotal roles in (a) the appalling security lapses prior to the terrorist attack that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans; (b) the administration’s response on the night of the attack; and (c) Obama officials’ fraudulent claim that the attack was caused by spontaneous reaction to an anti-Muslim video, rather than by entirely predictable jihadist terrorism."
Yes William I listed the current crew of naysayers who are wasting more of my money. that was Kings question. (A) security lapses. Those would have been the concern of Chris Stevens. He was the ambassador of the country. He repeatedly denied the Benghazi consulates requests for more security. (B) The only stand down order given was by the CIA station chief without direction from above. he was protecting his operation. (c) On September 11,2012 after a video insulting the prophet Mohammed was released by a US citizen with backing from the radical Baptist Minister Terry Jones, he who is fond of publically burning the Koran, 11 embassies across the Middle East and north Africa came under siege. Embassies under siege 09-11-12 Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, Sudan, Lebanon, Libya, Nigeria, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Iraq. Add to that the consulate at Benghazi. The captured leader of that attack, Abu Khattala has even stated that the event started as a protest against an American film depicting Mohammed negatively.
Khattala while he admired Osama bin Laden did not know him Khattala was a small time jihadist who never left Benghazi. By his admission his ties to Ansar al-Sharia were friendly and informal. Even his neighbors say that he had no ties to any group but his own.
ric and William My thanks, from what you have both said, it appears that yet another smokescreen is underway to influence the mid term election results and to give whatever political leverage is available to the side with the most persuasive mouthpiece. What I have written above could easily have been taken from any of several "investigations" here at present. We have a process known as a Royal Commission which equates closely to your Congressional hearings. One of the major differences is that we have no fifth amendment to claim! Currently there is a major enquiry into the building and construction industry and the possible misuse of Union funds and influence. This enquiry of course was set up by the current right wing government and it is designed to weaken the power of the Unions and to make them more accountable to their members. Unions here have in recent years been found guilty of very serious crimes and in fact several members of parliament, both state and federal have been tried for various offences or are waiting for charges to be laid.
King this is not a smokescreen to those who lost loved ones and never received follow up justification from any one at State or the White house.
Gowdy will take his time. Two years have passed. No need to rush. The cover up will eventually be exposed. There won't be five minute time limits on questions and followups this time. Hillary will answer the subpoena.
The Accountability Review Board was hand picked by Ms. Clinton.
Why is the administration lying about their Stand Down order?
Where was our President during those 13 hours?
Why did they concoct the video fairy tail?
Lot's and lot's of stuff to review. Plenty of time to report the facts clearly to the loved ones of those who died and the American people.
The propaganda surrounding this incident has been ever present and presently stepping up. The Clinton - Obama machine will be exhibit much primal screaming.
"Lot's and lot's of stuff to review. Plenty of time to report the facts clearly to the loved ones of those who died and the American people."
Lot's of fluff to re-spew. Plenty of time to drag this is out and chest thump in hopes that enough stupid American people vote to turn the senate over to the Republicans in the mid terms.
Parents of Benghazi victims: We've been left in dark Oren Dorell, USA TODAY 9:22 a.m. EDT September 20, 2013
""WASHINGTON — Parents of two of the four men killed in Benghazi last year testified Thursday before a committee investigating the incident that Obama administration officials have failed to answer questions about the attack despite pledges to keep them informed.
"No one in the government has told me anything," said Patricia Smith, the mother of Sean Smith, whose body was the first one found at the diplomatic compound in Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012. "Everything I've found, and I mean anything, I found by going on the Internet and asking questions."
"It's been true hell living through this without any answers," Smith said.""
As Benghazi Hearing Gets Underway, Gowdy Addresses Critics 11:08 AM 09/17/2014
""WASHINGTON — The Republican chairman of the new Benghazi select committee pledged Wednesday during the first public hearing to conduct an investigation “worthy of the memory of those who died and worthy of the trust of our fellow citizens.”
“I remain hopeful there are still things left in our country that can transcend politics,” South Carolina Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy, the chairman of the committee, said in his opening statement in a Capitol Hill hearing room. “I remain convinced our fellow citizens deserve all of the facts of what happened before, during, and after the attacks in Benghazi and they deserve an investigative process worthy of the memory of those who died and worthy of the trust of our fellow citizens.”""
""At a memorial ceremony when the four caskets were returned to U.S. soil, Smith said, President Obama, Vice President Biden, then-Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and Clinton all told her the attack was the result of an anti-Islam video.
"They said they would get back to me," she said. "I don't trust my government anymore because they lied to me.""
""A former State Department diplomat is coming forward with a startling allegation: Hillary Clinton confidants were part of an operation to “separate” damaging documents before they were turned over to the Accountability Review Board investigating security lapses surrounding the Sept. 11, 2012, terrorist attacks on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya...According to former Deputy Assistant Secretary Raymond Maxwell, the after-hours session took place over a weekend in a basement operations-type center at State Department headquarters in Washington, D.C....Maxwell says the weekend document session was held in the basement of the State Department’s Foggy Bottom headquarters in a room underneath the “jogger’s entrance.” ... When he arrived, Maxwell says he observed boxes and stacks of documents. He says a State Department office director, whom Maxwell described as close to Clinton’s top advisers, was there. Though the office director technically worked for him, Maxwell says he wasn’t consulted about her weekend assignment. “She told me, ‘Ray, we are to go through these stacks and pull out anything that might put anybody in the [Near Eastern Affairs] front office or the seventh floor in a bad light,’” says Maxwell. He says “seventh floor” was State Department shorthand for then-Secretary of State Clinton and her principal advisers. “I asked her, ‘But isn’t that unethical?’ She responded, ‘Ray, those are our orders.’ ” A few minutes after he arrived, Maxwell says, in walked two high-ranking State Department officials.""
"A new report from discredited investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson baselessly suggested State Department staff removed damaging documents on Benghazi instead of turning them over to the Accountability Review Board (ARB) for investigation. But Attkisson's claims have been denied by the State Department and are based solely on speculations from a disgruntled employee after he was disciplined for his "lack of leadership" and engagement by the ARB.
“Disgruntled over being "the only official in the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs (NEA), which had responsibility for Libya, to lose his job," Maxwell spoke to The Daily Beast in May 2013 in an attempt to "restore" his "honor." Maxwell, who had filed official grievances regarding his treatment, expressed anger that Mills -- the same staff member Maxwell speculated was involved in hiding potentially damaging documents -- "reneged" on a deal to eventually bring Maxwell back to the NEA after his leave."
"Maxwell was interviewed by our committee, the Oversight and Government Reform Committee," said Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Maryland. "He was called by Chairman Issa as a witness. And he never talked about this. He had plenty of opportunities to do it. But keep in mind, we have allegations seeming to come out every week. Mr. Schiff just talked about the three contractors, who also have been interviewed, and suddenly they come out with these 'stand down' allegations. But again, Mr. Maxwell did not bring those allegations to our attention when we interviewed him extensively. Extensively."
William did you know he was the guy who was fired for the whole affair?
Why then so worried rick? Maxwell and the contractors will be proven wrong or right during the investigation. Of course those who are at odds with progressives are always labeled disgruntled, or deranged, or insane by their propaganda machine. Elijah Cummings is hardly an unbiased source. Facts never stand in his way. He will have to sit and listen along with everyone else.
Not at all worried William. Just showing you how much you miss by listening to your overly biased half assed reports. You believe because they are giving you the half of the story that you want to hear. Dig deeper my friend and the full truth won't elude you.
We all know that Cummings and the left wing have premtively produced a web site to promote their propaganda. We don't have to dig into that pile of horse shit to know that it smells.
How 'bout this boys? A genuine government scandal that we can attach ourselves to. We've had a few in the past. They were driven by an interested press. It sure seems like our press has decided to wilt into the wallpaper lately. I never would have thought our press to be wallflowers. What happened to you? Is your political ideology trumping your desire to tell the truth? Let's see a real investigation into this thing. Prove it wrong, or possibly, prove it right. Do something, hell, I might even start buying your media again if I feel like you want to tell the facts.
"Gowdy let everybody else on the panel get a turn before he asked his questions. He didn’t enforce time limits strictly, and he abandoned the top row of the dais in favor of a seat closer to the witnesses. He didn’t quarrel, shout or ask gotcha questions."
"'As he wrapped up the hearing, Gowdy recalled the four dead Americans, one of whom had family in the audience. “I want to adjourn in memory of Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, Ty Woods and Glen Doherty,” he said, “and pledge a process that is worthy of their memory and one that our fellow citizens can respect, regardless of their political ideations.”"
“The people that we work for yearn to see the right thing done for the right reasons, and in the right way,” he said. “So to fulfill the duties owed to those we serve and in honor of those who were killed, maybe, just maybe, we can be what those four brave men were, neither Republican nor Democrat - just Americans - and pursue the facts and justice no matter where that journey takes us.”
"The reporter who walked into this morning's first public meeting of the House Special Committee on Benghazi saw something shocking and unforeseeable: empty chairs. Staffers had given the media a couple of dozen chairs on both sides of HVC-210, one of the more accessible rooms in Congress, but there was no queue to see the hearing and no great bustle among the press. Halfway through the hearing, one reporter packed up and left."
Dig deeper ric into the coverage? What media coverage ric?
yep dig deeper. I have found stories online in about 3 minutes from the AP and CNN. NBC CBS and ABC did black out coverage. Guess like most others they find it is no longer news worthy after 7 previous hearings on the matter which should be closed, and over. MSNBC devoted 12 minutes of air time. Of course your vaunted FOX NEWS had 40 minutes and 51 sec of live coverage, and 25 minutes of reports and interviews, but then William no one else in this world is pushing this latest fiasco anymore then FOX NEWS. The rest of the world is satisfied by the findings of the 7 other attempts to assassinate Hilary Clinton's character.
You don't get it ric, you truly don't get it. They are all invested in the Obama - Hillary fairytale. They are part of the cover up. Under this cabal the entire world is turning into shit right before your eyes but you just can't see it. You're using a microscope when in reality you need a telescope.
The deliberative discovery and exposure of Hillary's Benghazi cover up.
ReplyDeleteThis is the beginning of the end.
All the kings horses,,,
More waste of my money. 8 times wasn't enough I guess. Let's waste another few million discovering what we already know.
ReplyDeleteLet's just do this instead of working on the problems of our country. No wonder Obama likes executive orders. there's nobody home in the house.
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ReplyDeleteDeleted due to error of fact. Should read:
ReplyDeleteIs this a Congressional enquiry and if so what is the (political) make up of the committee? If not, what is the political makeup of and authority conducting the investigation? If there is a bias (in either direction) can the result of any deliberations be accepted by the US people? I am somewhat jaundiced at present having read Ricks latest post on electoral fraud.
King here is the committee and it is not hand picked by Hilary Clinton.
DeleteThere are 7 republicans and 5 democrats. Already an imbalanced committee. There is one centrist republican so I guess this is where they get balance. It’s up in the air which way he will go.
Chair Trey Gowdy R South Carolina
introduced a law to sue the president if the house deems he is not enforcing the laws of the land
For the defunding of Obamacare and has voted numerous times to repeal it.
Susan Brooks R Indiana
1st term congresswoman not much of a resume.
Jim Jordan R Ohio
From one of the most republican districts in the country
Outspoken critic of Attorney General Eric Holder. Finds him a complete joke.
Mike Pompeo R Kansas
Supported the tea party effort to shut down the government
Top receiver of Koch Brother and tea party funding currently in the House
Opposes closing of Guantanamo Bay Prison
Rejected Obama nomination of Sonja Sotomajor to the supreme court
Against renewable energy initiatives and global warming theory
For the keystone XL pipeline
Opposes GMO labelling of food products
Martha Roby r Alabama
Tea party adherent strongly endorsed by Sarah Palin
Against planned parenthood
Against EPA
Repeatedly votes to repeal Obamacare
Voted to cut food stamps although 41,000 households in her district depend on them for food
Lynn Westmorland R Georgia
Introduced legislation to place the ten commandments in the House and Senate Chambers
Most conservative member of the House
Against the renewal of the Voter Rights Act.
Describes Obama as “uppity” a pejorative historically used to describe Black Americans who have achieved social/economic progress
Tea Party caucus member
These six, No way that Hilary Clinton would hand pick them.
Pete Roskam R Illinois
Centrist Republican
4th highest ranking member of Republican House Leadership as Chief Deputy Whip.
For renewable energy
For expanded stem cell research
Under investigation by ethics committee for illegally funded trip to Taiwan paid for by the Taiwanese government
That could influence his vote I guess. You know the My back /Your back philosophy.
Maybe Maybe Hilary would pick him.
She probably approved of some of the Democrats
Elijah Cummings D Maryland
18 year house veteran and long time supporter of the Clintons. Yes she handpicked him.
Adam Smith D Washington (State)
Supported Obama over Clinton in 2008 primary elections
Supports NSA spying
Supports Patriot Act
Often acts as surrogate speaker for Obama on the national TV news political discussion programs
Adam Schiff D California
Was on 1st Benghazi Committee
Called that investigation a “Colossal waste of time”
Believes ”talking points” were flawed but not intentionally to deceive.
Found security at ALL embassies flawed
Current committee “a red Herring and waste of Taxpayer money” agreed to serve to add balance and with his previous experience add insight
Linda Sanchez D California
Supports Obama’s programs on renewables, ending subsidies to oil companies,
Ending gun hole loopholes for gun purchases, Supports Gay Rights, public infrastructure improvements
Cyber bullying legislation, Supports immigration reform with a clear pathway to citizenship for those already living in the US
Supports the Dream act.
Tammy Duckworth D Illinois
Lost both legs as a helicopter pilot in Iraq, first American female military to undergo double amputation.
1st disabled female ever elected to congress
Born in Thailand to an American father
Supports ban on semi automatic weapons
Early supporter of Additional Veterans Administration funding for influx of Iraq and Afghanistan War veterans who were returning home
Supported audit of Actual money spent on the Iraq war
That is the committee King you decide.
Although William lauds the opening questions on security, that is because he doesn’t understand the difference between an embassy and a consulate. The Republicans keep referring to the Benghazi complex as an embassy but it was not it was a consulate and there is a major difference in how they operate and the security detail attached to each. The Benghazi consulate did ask for additional security, but they did not ask Hilary Clinton for that. It’s not how it works. The consulate was under the command and control of the ambassador in Tripoli, the only embassy in Libya, Chris Stevens. Chris Stevens himself denied the request. It wasn’t Hilary’s or Obama’s call to make.
DeleteThe major difference between a consulate and an embassy and their security force is this, Consulates do not have the ability or the authority to produce classified documents. Embassies do. Therefore embassies are typically guarded by a detachment of US Marines who are stationed on the embassy grounds. Since consulates contain no sensitive material it is common that they are guarded through contracted local authorities and this was the situation in Benghazi. Admiral Mullen was asked during the first day if Hilary Clinton had personally inspected the security of the Benghazi Consulate. What an asinine question. The U S has about 300 embassies and consulates throughout the world. No secretary of State has ever visited each one individually to inspect the security. It’s not in the job description of the secretary of state. They have many many other things to do. There is a book out here in the states written by a couple of the CIA Agents who responded from the secret CIA operation in Benghazi. In the book they claim that they were in fact delayed by the station chief but he did not appear to be getting orders from higher up. They believe he acted alone because he did not want his secret operation to become public knowledge. After 20 minutes these guys disregarded his order to stand down and went to the consulate without his permission. These are the so called new witnesses to the event. The new information.
This is already smelling like the witch hunt that it is. The republican party so fears that they cannot beat Hilary Clinton in 2016 that they will continue waste taxpayer money on this nonsense. So much for the tax savers huh? They don’t want to save taxpayers a dime. They only want to call the shots of how taxpayer money is spent. Just another FOX NEWS Circus piece to dis-inform some more voters. Hey can we send that scumbag Rupert Murdoch back to Australia. PLEASE!
ric, you have listed the Select Committee members, not the Accountability Review Board that was hand picked by State.
Delete" the State Department announced on October 4, 2012 an Accountability Review Board "to examine the facts and circumstances of the attacks."[276] Four members were selected by Clinton and another was selected by Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper. "
You remember Clapper, the guy that said that they wouldn't "knowingly lie" to congress.
DeleteFormer Obama Official: That Benghazi Accountability Review Was Not Independent
by
Bryan Preston
September 17, 2014 - 11:18 am
Today’s House Select Committee hearing on Benghazi was short of fireworks or revelations. But former Obama Homeland Security official Todd Keil was asked directly whether the State Department’s Accountability Review Board, which was hand-picked by then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, was as “fiercely independent as she and members of that board have claimed.
Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) asked Keil “What’s your overall impression of the ARB report?”
Keil replied, “Ambassador Pickering referred to the ARB as being ‘fiercely independent.’ In that same hearing, Admiral Mullen admitted to Oversight and Government Reform that he was reporting on ARB proceedings to staff of the State Department, outside of the precepts and requirements of being a member of the ARB.
“I don’t think that fits anyone’s definition of being ‘fiercely independent.’”
"the vaunted “Accountability Review Board” (ARB), did not even bother to interview Mrs. Clinton despite her pivotal roles in (a) the appalling security lapses prior to the terrorist attack that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans; (b) the administration’s response on the night of the attack; and (c) Obama officials’ fraudulent claim that the attack was caused by spontaneous reaction to an anti-Muslim video, rather than by entirely predictable jihadist terrorism."
DeleteYes William I listed the current crew of naysayers who are wasting more of my money. that was Kings question.
Delete(A) security lapses. Those would have been the concern of Chris Stevens. He was the ambassador of the country. He repeatedly denied the Benghazi consulates requests for more security.
(B) The only stand down order given was by the CIA station chief without direction from above. he was protecting his operation.
(c) On September 11,2012 after a video insulting the prophet Mohammed was released by a US citizen with backing from the radical Baptist Minister Terry Jones, he who is fond of publically burning the Koran, 11 embassies across the Middle East and north Africa came under siege. Embassies under siege 09-11-12 Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, Sudan, Lebanon, Libya, Nigeria, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Iraq.
Add to that the consulate at Benghazi. The captured leader of that attack, Abu Khattala has even stated that the event started as a protest against an American film depicting Mohammed negatively.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/a-conversation-with-abu-khattala
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/14/today-is-your-last-day-ambassador-embassies-brace-for-violence-as-anti-islam-film-protests-spread/
Khattala while he admired Osama bin Laden did not know him Khattala was a small time jihadist who never left Benghazi. By his admission his ties to Ansar al-Sharia were friendly and informal. Even his neighbors say that he had no ties to any group but his own.
Deleteric and William
DeleteMy thanks, from what you have both said, it appears that yet another smokescreen is underway to influence the mid term election results and to give whatever political leverage is available to the side with the most persuasive mouthpiece.
What I have written above could easily have been taken from any of several "investigations" here at present. We have a process known as a Royal Commission which equates closely to your Congressional hearings. One of the major differences is that we have no fifth amendment to claim!
Currently there is a major enquiry into the building and construction industry and the possible misuse of Union funds and influence. This enquiry of course was set up by the current right wing government and it is designed to weaken the power of the Unions and to make them more accountable to their members. Unions here have in recent years been found guilty of very serious crimes and in fact several members of parliament, both state and federal have been tried for various offences or are waiting for charges to be laid.
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DeleteKing this is not a smokescreen to those who lost loved ones and never received follow up justification from any one at State or the White house.
DeleteGowdy will take his time. Two years have passed. No need to rush. The cover up will eventually be exposed. There won't be five minute time limits on questions and followups this time. Hillary will answer the subpoena.
The Accountability Review Board was hand picked by Ms. Clinton.
ReplyDeleteWhy is the administration lying about their Stand Down order?
Where was our President during those 13 hours?
Why did they concoct the video fairy tail?
Lot's and lot's of stuff to review. Plenty of time to report the facts clearly to the loved ones of those who died and the American people.
The propaganda surrounding this incident has been ever present and presently stepping up. The Clinton - Obama machine will be exhibit much primal screaming.
The facts now will calmly be displayed.
Ya propaganda such as this story reported only on FOX NEWS that Clinton's people have "scrubbed the files". You know William FOX NEWS dumbs you down.
DeleteWhere is Bob Woodward? When Nixon scrubbed the tapes he was all over it.
DeleteWhat about it Bob?
"Lot's and lot's of stuff to review. Plenty of time to report the facts clearly to the loved ones of those who died and the American people."
ReplyDeleteLot's of fluff to re-spew. Plenty of time to drag this is out and chest thump in hopes that enough stupid American people vote to turn the senate over to the Republicans in the mid terms.
There, I fixed it for you
Parents of Benghazi victims: We've been left in dark
DeleteOren Dorell, USA TODAY 9:22 a.m. EDT September 20, 2013
""WASHINGTON — Parents of two of the four men killed in Benghazi last year testified Thursday before a committee investigating the incident that Obama administration officials have failed to answer questions about the attack despite pledges to keep them informed.
"No one in the government has told me anything," said Patricia Smith, the mother of Sean Smith, whose body was the first one found at the diplomatic compound in Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012. "Everything I've found, and I mean anything, I found by going on the Internet and asking questions."
"It's been true hell living through this without any answers," Smith said.""
As Benghazi Hearing Gets Underway, Gowdy Addresses Critics
Delete11:08 AM 09/17/2014
""WASHINGTON — The Republican chairman of the new Benghazi select committee pledged Wednesday during the first public hearing to conduct an investigation “worthy of the memory of those who died and worthy of the trust of our fellow citizens.”
“I remain hopeful there are still things left in our country that can transcend politics,” South Carolina Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy, the chairman of the committee, said in his opening statement in a Capitol Hill hearing room. “I remain convinced our fellow citizens deserve all of the facts of what happened before, during, and after the attacks in Benghazi and they deserve an investigative process worthy of the memory of those who died and worthy of the trust of our fellow citizens.”""
""At a memorial ceremony when the four caskets were returned to U.S. soil, Smith said, President Obama, Vice President Biden, then-Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and Clinton all told her the attack was the result of an anti-Islam video.
Delete"They said they would get back to me," she said. "I don't trust my government anymore because they lied to me.""
""A former State Department diplomat is coming forward with a startling allegation: Hillary Clinton confidants were part of an operation to “separate” damaging documents before they were turned over to the Accountability Review Board investigating security lapses surrounding the Sept. 11, 2012, terrorist attacks on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya...According to former Deputy Assistant Secretary Raymond Maxwell, the after-hours session took place over a weekend in a basement operations-type center at State Department headquarters in Washington, D.C....Maxwell says the weekend document session was held in the basement of the State Department’s Foggy Bottom headquarters in a room underneath the “jogger’s entrance.” ... When he arrived, Maxwell says he observed boxes and stacks of documents. He says a State Department office director, whom Maxwell described as close to Clinton’s top advisers, was there. Though the office director technically worked for him, Maxwell says he wasn’t consulted about her weekend assignment. “She told me, ‘Ray, we are to go through these stacks and pull out anything that might put anybody in the [Near Eastern Affairs] front office or the seventh floor in a bad light,’” says Maxwell. He says “seventh floor” was State Department shorthand for then-Secretary of State Clinton and her principal advisers. “I asked her, ‘But isn’t that unethical?’ She responded, ‘Ray, those are our orders.’ ” A few minutes after he arrived, Maxwell says, in walked two high-ranking State Department officials.""
ReplyDelete"A new report from discredited investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson baselessly suggested State Department staff removed damaging documents on Benghazi instead of turning them over to the Accountability Review Board (ARB) for investigation. But Attkisson's claims have been denied by the State Department and are based solely on speculations from a disgruntled employee after he was disciplined for his "lack of leadership" and engagement by the ARB.
Delete“Disgruntled over being "the only official in the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs (NEA), which had responsibility for Libya, to lose his job," Maxwell spoke to The Daily Beast in May 2013 in an attempt to "restore" his "honor." Maxwell, who had filed official grievances regarding his treatment, expressed anger that Mills -- the same staff member Maxwell speculated was involved in hiding potentially damaging documents -- "reneged" on a deal to eventually bring Maxwell back to the NEA after his leave."
"Maxwell was interviewed by our committee, the Oversight and Government Reform Committee," said Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Maryland. "He was called by Chairman Issa as a witness. And he never talked about this. He had plenty of opportunities to do it. But keep in mind, we have allegations seeming to come out every week. Mr. Schiff just talked about the three contractors, who also have been interviewed, and suddenly they come out with these 'stand down' allegations. But again, Mr. Maxwell did not bring those allegations to our attention when we interviewed him extensively. Extensively."
William did you know he was the guy who was fired for the whole affair?
That important fact was omitted from your FOX NEWS report. Once again the whole truth has eluded you.
DeleteWhy then so worried rick? Maxwell and the contractors will be proven wrong or right during the investigation. Of course those who are at odds with progressives are always labeled disgruntled, or deranged, or insane by their propaganda machine. Elijah Cummings is hardly an unbiased source. Facts never stand in his way. He will have to sit and listen along with everyone else.
DeleteMaxwell's office manager and the State department high ranking officials will also be put under oath. Time will tell.
DeleteNot at all worried William. Just showing you how much you miss by listening to your overly biased half assed reports. You believe because they are giving you the half of the story that you want to hear. Dig deeper my friend and the full truth won't elude you.
DeleteWe all know that Cummings and the left wing have premtively produced a web site to promote their propaganda. We don't have to dig into that pile of horse shit to know that it smells.
DeleteHow 'bout this boys? A genuine government scandal that we can attach ourselves to. We've had a few in the past. They were driven by an interested press. It sure seems like our press has decided to wilt into the wallpaper lately. I never would have thought our press to be wallflowers. What happened to you? Is your political ideology trumping your desire to tell the truth? Let's see a real investigation into this thing. Prove it wrong, or possibly, prove it right. Do something, hell, I might even start buying your media again if I feel like you want to tell the facts.
ReplyDelete"Gowdy let everybody else on the panel get a turn before he asked his questions. He didn’t enforce time limits strictly, and he abandoned the top row of the dais in favor of a seat closer to the witnesses. He didn’t quarrel, shout or ask gotcha questions."
ReplyDelete"'As he wrapped up the hearing, Gowdy recalled the four dead Americans, one of whom had family in the audience. “I want to adjourn in memory of Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, Ty Woods and Glen Doherty,” he said, “and pledge a process that is worthy of their memory and one that our fellow citizens can respect, regardless of their political ideations.”"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-trey-gowdys-unexpected-twist-in-the-benghazi-saga/2014/09/17/46673f56-3ea2-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html
“The people that we work for yearn to see the right thing done for the right reasons, and in the right way,” he said. “So to fulfill the duties owed to those we serve and in honor of those who were killed, maybe, just maybe, we can be what those four brave men were, neither Republican nor Democrat - just Americans - and pursue the facts and justice no matter where that journey takes us.”
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"The reporter who walked into this morning's first public meeting of the House Special Committee on Benghazi saw something shocking and unforeseeable: empty chairs. Staffers had given the media a couple of dozen chairs on both sides of HVC-210, one of the more accessible rooms in Congress, but there was no queue to see the hearing and no great bustle among the press. Halfway through the hearing, one reporter packed up and left."
ReplyDeleteDig deeper ric into the coverage? What media coverage ric?
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Deleteyep dig deeper. I have found stories online in about 3 minutes from the AP and CNN. NBC CBS and ABC did black out coverage. Guess like most others they find it is no longer news worthy after 7 previous hearings on the matter which should be closed, and over. MSNBC devoted 12 minutes of air time. Of course your vaunted FOX NEWS had 40 minutes and 51 sec of live coverage, and 25 minutes of reports and interviews, but then William no one else in this world is pushing this latest fiasco anymore then FOX NEWS. The rest of the world is satisfied by the findings of the 7 other attempts to assassinate Hilary Clinton's character.
ReplyDeleteYou don't get it ric, you truly don't get it. They are all invested in the Obama - Hillary fairytale. They are part of the cover up. Under this cabal the entire world is turning into shit right before your eyes but you just can't see it. You're using a microscope when in reality you need a telescope.
DeleteWho William? Every media outlet except FOXNEWS? The only one using a microscope is you.
DeleteA first lady and community activist have set the world on fire. That will be their legacy.
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