The select committee on Benghazi will have the power to find out where Obama and Hillary were, and what they were doing during the evening of the battle.
They will call for all emails and logs detailing the leaders movements during these terrible hours. Emails detailing the formulation of a media response by the White House will be exposed. The political nature of the response will be of particular interest.
The people involved lie and will continue to lie including obama and clinton. Why would anyone expect something different? It's been well orchestrated so far and will continue.
The difference between the Nixon times and the obama times. The legislators in both parties had integrity today, not so much. The president was smart enough to step down, not so much today.
p.s. It's about obama but also about clinton who hopes to assume power. At least she's holding true continuing the lies.
The scandal, if you don’t know, is the White House’s maliciously misleading the American public about four dead Americans killed by preventable al-Qaeda attacks on the anniversary of 9/11 in order to serve its own narrow political purposes. What’s unusual in this case is the unnecessary dishonesty, as though the Obama administration simply reflexively recoiled from the truth. The Obama administration did not mislead the American public about Benghazi out of political necessity; it misled the American public out of habit. And why wouldn’t it? From the economic effects of the stimulus bill to the GM bailout to blaming last quarter’s poor economic numbers on the fact that it is cold during the winter, the Obama administration has an excellent record for wholesaling fiction to the American electorate, which keeps enduring it. There is apparently enough collective intelligence in the Obama administration to hold in general contempt the wit and attention span of an American public that has elected it twice. Or perhaps the administration is fooling itself, too. A good huckster knows that he is a huckster, but a great huckster comes to sincerely believe in his own shtick.
I agree with nearly everything you said here. The only problem is that this particular set of lies was pretty important.
Basically, they lied about the "why" to cover up the "what" which would lead back to the real "why". I'm not trying to speak in code.
I don't know why the Obama administration armed and supported the entire Arab Spring. I don't know why Chris Stevens was trying to reaquire weapons so they could be channeled into Syria against Assad. I don't know why this administration chooses to side with Al Quad a our ostensible enemy.
This is the rabbit hole the administration is hoping to avoid.
See William you are still not being told the facts by your one sided news source. The President was in the White House doing debate prep. The answer to your other question is Valerie Jarrett. On who's authority did she not send response? that is the question you need answered. ( Full disclosure I do not like Valerie Jarrett ).All the rest just a smoke screen and this is not that big of deal. Being an ambassador in a third world country is dangerous business. Did you know that of the 8 ambassadors killed in the line of duty 6 were killed by rebel groups. So as ambassadors go this is not unusual. It's part of the risk you take. Running guns? I guess we just gotta have something huh?. This is obviously more about staining Hilary Clinton then any care or concern about Chris Stevens. You can't beat her so ya gotta get something to stick.
It is not a big deal to you as you and your kind really believe that you are above the law and are worthy of justice, These men were murdered - set up to be murdered. What difference does it make - a lot when you go before Him in the end.
Spin it anyway you want as it is obvious what is going on and how ignorant you and your kind are.
Like everything else, as long as it's someone else it doesn't matter.
Higher taxes. Paying for the ACA. People dying in Benghazi. People unemployed while working an amnesty plan for millions of illegals. The laughable rule of law, only enforce what you like, the rest ignore. The continued spending, year after year.
Don't worry, be happy.
Think Rick would be pissed today if it were one of his son's? Call it a no big deal?
I found this article to be interesting. The Republicans accuse the Democrats of politicizing Benghazi, yet, is that not what they are doing now? A pox on both of their houses!
Previously, Kohn was Senior Campaign Strategist with the Center for Community Change, where she served as co-Director. She also previously served as Executive Director of the Third Wave Foundation. Kohn held a program fellowship at the Ford Foundation, helping to manage more than $15 million in annual grants. She was also a distinguished Vaid Fellow at the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute. Kohn has consulted at organizations such as the Urban Justice Center. She was also a strategic adviser to the Social Justice Infrastructure Funders. Media career
She has appeared on MSNBC shows The Ed Show , Up with Steve Kornacki, Now with Alex Wagner, and on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell.[6] Kohn has also published op-eds for outlets including Fox News,[7] The Washington Post, The Nation, The Christian Science Monitor, and USA Today. She is also a contributor to The Huffington Post.
She served as a Fox News Channel contributor until October 2013.[1][2] She is currently a commentator on CNN. Personal life
Kohn met her partner, Sarah Hansen, at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre, Brazil, in 2003. Hansen works as an activist and consultant. Hansen was the Executive Director of the Environmental Grantmakers Association from 1998 to 2005. They have a 3 year-old daughter, Willa Hansen-Kohn and live in Brooklyn, New York.[8]
This link is toilet paper Mick. She is toilet paper Mick.
The democrats have issued 20 subpoena's over two road cones on the George Washington bridge approach. The "investigation" continues.
On the other hand we have four people dead. Possible gun running. No one apprehended to date. Questions about redacted emails, many that have not been released to date. Questions about where Clinton and Obama spent their evening during the terrible hours. Who gave the order to "stand down."
Yeah, I'd say it's about even.
Yeah, the republicans are "politicizing the Benghazi event."
"The circumstances of Ambassador Stevens' death are still under investigation:" Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/stevens.asp#TkXBx5jS6q8sGW3v.99
Lol, Snopes, updated April 2, 2014, says his death is still under investigation!
In a vague way, I remember seeing posts toward the end of Bush's reign. The outrage from a lot on the left was at screeching fever pitch, while those on the right, who really didn't like Bush all that much themselves, were simply just going quiet talking about it. When you see a screeching mob running down the street inflamed about some thing or another, it eventually doesn't really matter anymore what they are screeching about, the end result is that they are simply looking for blood. Just like with Clinton and the White Water thing that ended with an adulterous man (Jackass Henry Hyde from Illinois) delivering articles of impeach for Clinton lying about a blowjob, I am convinced we will eventually see another modern day jackass deliver articles of impeachment for something that not only has nothing to do with Benghazi, but also has nothing to do with anything important or relevant to the world.
On March 4, 2014, Gowdy introduced the ENFORCE the Law Act of 2014 (H.R. 4138; 113th Congress) into the House.[22] The bill would give the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate both the standing to sue the President of the United States in a federal district court to clarify a federal law (that is, seek a declaratory judgment) in the event that the executive branch is not enforcing the law.[23][24] House Republicans argued that the bill was necessary because the Obama Administration refused to enforce the laws.[25]
As you can see Lou, I've lost the ability to respond to this particular topic with anything but anger and a desire to piss off the people who are trying desperately to wrap this shit up in some kind of patriotic duty. Basically, a small segment of America believes that this tragic event, borne of incompetence and hubris, somehow impacts their personal lives. It doesn't. I really don't have anything positive to say about Obama or Clinton regarding this screw up, but by the same token, I'm sick of endless abuses of the investigatory power of congress to slap shit shows like this against the wall while telling us it's important to the country. This is not honoring the four who were killed, it's pimping their deaths in a sick show of political theatre.
I'm as cynical as you about lack of change occurring but my view differs because I'm cynical of the ability of the people in this country to currently pull their heads out of their asses and give a damn about anything but their personal satisfaction, which is an attitude that has a lot to do with this story. Implied in many of the comments here is a sense that if America is slapped in the face enough times with this story, they will come to the correct conclusion and be motivated to..............do something I suppose.
I'm cynical of the ability of the people in this country to currently pull their heads out of their asses and give a damn about anything but their personal satisfaction, which is an attitude that has a lot to do with this story
Sad but true. The 30 second attention span of people is at the heart of our problems. The political crap will soon hit the TV (already has here) people will listen and decide from a bogus 30 spot proclaiming what a wonderful job they have done and how the other person is to extreme.
Until the country wakes up to what the elected officials they send to Washington have done to them, nothing changes.
"Max, why do you cry for oversight out of one side of your mouth and obstruct from the other?"
Well, like the little puppy dogs who are carrying water on this stupid issue, let me be a good little liberal and post what i saw on MSNBC today, http://benghaziwatchdogs.com/ that's a link to the little crap bags who are using this to fund raise. This is what this issue is all about Jimbo. So, in response to your completely dishonest question, that's my response. There have been countless hearing held on this, thousands and thousands of pages of documents collected and STILL, the Republicans won't let this die. The reason they won't let it die is because they have nothing else to say or do that is remotely relevant to anything that affects Americans day to day lives.
Here's a great short piece that you either won't read or will come up with some bullshit dismissal of http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2014/05/ronald-reagans-benghazi.html While you all chide me for being such a believer in greatleadersaviorofeverything Obama, stuff it. This investigation is not about changing the way we secure our assets, it's not about honoring the life of Chris Stevens, it's not about FINDING ANSWERS THAT ALL OF AMERICA WANTS TO HEAR, it's simply about continuing to play the game of who can be the biggest jagoff in Washington. Like Issa's waste of 14 million dollars racked up in his completely one sided IRS hearings, we will waste millions more on Benghazi to find what? Nothing.
26 out of 199, yeah, that's some solid bipartisan support. Basically, it was a party vote. This is a Republican show created for the benefit of beating their chest before mid term elections. Congratulations on beating the establishment in North Carolina last night. Not.
Some of the rats are leaving the ship Max. Hillary will be subpoenaed and deposed Max. She will find out that it does matters what happens to our citizens. She will sit and answer questions not sit and listen to political speeches. Trey Gowdy said tonight that he does not send subpoenas to attend cocktail parties.
As far as not being happy at losing to the RINO establishment,,well,,you are correct I am not happy. But,,,your girl will have her chance in November,,we'll see who's unhappy then.
"She will sit and answer questions not sit and listen to political speeches. Trey Gowdy said tonight that he does not send subpoenas to attend cocktail parties."
It's funny you have described exactly what will happen. Republicans will be fighting each other for the chance to be on that committee to have their day in the sun and, like Trey Gowdy, use the opportunity to create youtube clips that they can use for campaign commercials when they want to show how tough they are on corruption. Long after even Fox new has stopped covering this, every little sycophantic Republican who makes it on the committee will be using the footage as proof of their greatness during campaign season. It's not about Hillary, it's not about Benghazi, and it's certainly not about Chris Stevens.
For what it's worth, Hillary is not my choice. Very few people within the Democratic party really represent the working middle class anymore. I honestly had a lot more respect for Dennis Kucinnich then I did Obama. Much as I bust your balls when another whackadoodle TP candidate loses, I have a respect for the fact the TP was born of something genuine. It has, however, become just another dogmatic group with very extreme fundamentalist views that do not fit the mainstream of America. Despite leaning left on some things, I'm generally willing to accept legislation that is aimed at consensus. Obama has done some of that, but like Bush and Bill Clinton, he has remained beholden to money. Your TP candidates, William, have become equally beholden to outside interests financing their campaigns. No matter who we vote for, we will be getting more of the same.
"Your TP candidates, William, have become equally beholden to outside interests financing their campaigns. No matter who we vote for, we will be getting more of the same. " Let's all curl up and die Max.
Of course money is needed in campaigns. Of course all sorts of folks monetarily support candidates to advance their own agenda's. Of course as grown ups we understand this. Spending money on politics is after all a form of free speech.
For the record I also admire Dennis Kucinnich in the same vein that I admire Ron Paul. They both stand for something even if I don't totally agree with them. I even support some of your views relating to the common (forgotten) man Max, believe it or not.
" I have a respect for the fact the TP was born of something genuine. It has, however, become just another dogmatic group with very extreme fundamentalist views that do not fit the mainstream of America."
One might argue Max that the thoughts of the "mainstream of America" are not worth "fitting" into. Being in the minority, for now, is not a burden when one sits and thinks of the current policies that are promulgated in DC on a daily basis.
Even in defeat ideas are being aired for public consideration. It took a couple of generations for the morass in DC to congeal. It will take just as long or longer for time honored thoughts and actions to be restored. No Max, it is not a burden or uncomfortable to be considered outside the mainstream.
Of course there are things we agree on William, there are countless things that many American's agree on, but instead of operating on the premise of letting those agreements drive government, we are instead being subject to all or nothing agenda's. I'm not going to start a tit for tat game of who can find more examples of the other party doing it. It a simple reality. Kuccinich was a guy who would work with others when their agendas agreed. Not much of that going on these days.
It's ironic to me that while you are against an evil federal government that strips local autonomy, you don't have any problems with millions of outside dollars funding local races. Why should I, as a resident of Las Vegas, have to get pounded with disgusting ads paid for by people who have no connection to my daily life here? Why should I have to live according their monied influence? That's why it's bullshit to call PAC money free speech. It's meant to silence, not enhance Democracy.
As for the mainstream of America not being worth fitting into, that is a fine example of that conservatism in America is about. A view that says, "We know what God and the founding fathers intended, and God Willing, you will bow to our agenda if we get our way."
I don't know how to take that Lou, but more importantly, it's probably a pointless argument. I don't believe Obama has foisted a secret agenda on the country. They had the chance to throw his out after one term they same as they did with Bush and the decided to give both a second term knowing full well what they had already done and what they would likely do in the future. Aside from the ACA, which wasn't a secret agenda, Obama has hardly forced a liberal agenda down the throat of America and despite controlling only the house of Congress, the Republicans have been quite successful in blocking Obama from doing anything of substance that a majority of the country wants done, like passing an immigration reform bill and background checks for guns just to name a couple.
I find it interesting that we all bow to Obama's agenda. The ACA with it's endless changes which have opened the eyes of Congress as they may pass a law but it doesn't matter and the Prez can enforce the parts he likes, modify the parts he wants changed. Immigration reform? Why is something like immigration broken when the president, past and present don't want to enforce the law? The hilarious part will be when they open up H1B visas and Americans will not find work. They claim we need more engineers yet we have engineers unemployed today. The people will claim, I didn't know. The people also want the border closed, yet nothing will ever be done to close the border so reform or not the mass migration of illegals will continue. Obama also gave provisional amnesty to illegal children brought to the US with their parents. Now he wants to pass amnesty for illegals, all the while millions remain unemployed. Now on to full steam ahead with his climate change agenda bypassing congress, again, with the EPA as his tool. Does it matter what it does to people, workers? Nope as long as he can move forward with his agenda. Before you say it, Bush was no better.
As to the 2nd term, what is it? The devil you know vs. the one you don't? People receiving freebies didn't want their free cut? The 30 second attention span? The media's biased negative reporting about anyone challenging their choice?
Look at the negative reporting on Romney's Cranbrook day's. Where was story about Obama that was similar?
Look at the dog on the roof story. Where was the Obama story?
This country is a mess led by the people we elect who make it worse.
What stories were similar? Bill Ayers was one. Rev. Wright was one. I think two things killed Romney, his 47% comment and the reality that for the moment, POTUS elections are not won by gerrymandering and the candidate for POTUS still needs to appeal to a segment of America that is not rabidly biased for one party or the either.
My favorite whipping boy? Gerrymandering. The Republicans have really offered little in contrast to the Democrats that isn't far outside the center. If you dislike what Obama has pushed for, that's fair enough. Tell me anything ORIGINAL from the Republicans that you have really liked. Not what they've blocked, but what they have actually come up with as a plan to solve whatever it is you think is a problem. I don't like the ACA, and the extra reporting we have to do as a result of it is already a pain in my ass just working at the bedside and it's brutal for the providers in our hospice. But I've seen nothing from the Republicans that was a serious proposal to solve that problem that well over 40 million people were uninsured and were bankrupting county hospitals across the country. In fact, they still have nothing to replace it with except tort reform.
I think congress could solve some of this shit by actually legislating instead of conducting endless witch hunts and voting over and over to repeal Obama care. Much as Harry Reid is kind of a jagoff, he's basically let McConnell run the show. Instead of forcing McConnell and his buddies to stand on the floor day after day reading the phone book, he simply doesn't bring things for votes that are going to get filibustered even when there is bipartisan support. Of course, he also doesn't allow votes on Boehnors purely partisan bills and that's not leadership either. My point, because we now have so many protected districts in this country, we have no accountability and the only election that is moderately in line with the middle of the country is POTUS. I don't like that reality any more than you do.
We certainly have a difference perspective. The media attacked Romney personally as well as the hack Reid. Groundless accusations which he never acknowledged that it was inaccurate. Note I didn't say a blatant lie, much like his references to those who are being hammered by the ACA. No apologies there either.
In any case your references to the House, little got by Dirty Harry as he blocked virtually everything. How would you know they proposed nothing. The proposed healthcare reform, sent to to both harry and Barry neither responded. What do you expect from them after being marginalized for 2 years by the majority?
Gerrymandering? Both parties do it. The difference, the media and left publishes it to make it known. Our house district was solid conservative. The democrats controlling Colorado tried to break the lock by combining our unincorporated county with a liberal city. We have zero in common with them as they reside in a different county, urban vs. country/suburban. Don't claim it's the Republicans as the D's follow suit.
I would disagree with your assessment of POTUS. O carried the cities. The majority lives there, the rest of the country, not so much. But he is the president of the democratic party as he clearly demonstrated on a regular basis. The Senate is much the same, controlled by the cities. Here, without Denver/Boulder, the state would be conservative. To many outsiders.
If they proposed something, they would have talked about it endlessly, just like the Ryan Budget proposal that they are quite proud of. Well, Paul Ryan is quite proud of it anyway. And you really didn't answer my question about what has the house passed that is original that you believe really solves a problem you care about.
And respectfully, I do disagree. Breitbart, Fox, Drudge and the countless right wing shows across America ripped into candidate Obama as ruthlessly as any mainstream media did to Romney. This is how we conduct elections. Your last para there suggests to me that since we disagree, you should have representation and I should not. It's sounds like you are saying that since Obama carried dense population areas, it's not fair because the combined population away from the cities, which is smaller, doesn't agree. Your side had 8 years of Bush, and 6 years of controlling both parties. The rest of us should just F off cause you don't agree with anything left of you? Explain to me how I"m hearing this wrong because I don't think you mean it that harsh.
My side has yet to have a president MAX. Bush certainly didn't represent me or my ideas. Obama certainly doesn't represent me in any way shape or form.
My side wants an end to the over spending, bloated government. Neither party today want that as clearly represented by 8 years of Bush and a larger representation of the last 5 years.
My side wants responsible government, we are certainly lacking there.
My side is tired of the slanted view of the media. Reading foreign sources is certainly an eye opener as how the world views us and is closer to reality.
Do people today vote for what's best for the country or what's best for their pocketbook? Think the 47% on non payers voted for Romney? Are we now relegated to politicians buying votes?
As a side note did the ABC have more viewers or did Breitbart?
Did NBC/CBS have more viewers or Fox?
Neither are good comparisons as one is over the air, the other cable.
What difference does it make Madam -- If it can be proven that your inaction contributed in the death of these Americans then I would live to be the one who puts a noose around your fat neck Madam!
Interesting theory(s). Let me ask you, if there's a bunch of bi-partisan approved "Iran-Contra" type stuff going on that would prove a huge conspiracy/scandal implicating both parties and the Intel community, why is the push to beat us over the head with yet even more Benghazi hearings only coming from the Pubs?
Idk Jimbo. According to Politico, Republican congressional investigations on Benghazi have included "13 hearings, 25,000 pages of documents, and 50 briefings." If there was a "scandal" to be found, it would have been found.
As much as the Obama Haters REEEALLLY hope & pray otherwise, there's simply no "there" there. Benghazi has been investigated, re-investigated, and investigated again at a significant expense to the American taxpayer. The conclusion has been the same each time - Benghazi was a tragedy and a security fuck-up. It's not a scandal.
The resurgence of "Benghazi Fever" by the right looks a lot like as Max has pointed out - a political witch hunt to stir up the base in time for the Midterms, 'cuz, let's face it - the only people who really give a shit about the Benghazi "scandal" at this point are people who would never, ever, under any circumstance, vote for a Dem.
To regular conservatives, moderates and lefties, the "Benghazi-ers" just look like the latest incarnation of the rabid Obama (and now Hillary Clinton) hating loony right. The "Benghazi-ers" have replaced the "Birthers" as the new punchline to all who sit outside of Far Right Wing Land.
I believe it's this kind of ridiculousness that handed Obama, the most beatable incumbent Prez since Carter, a fairly easy re-election. It certainly wasn't his strong record from his first term.
But who cares about burning more taxpayer time and money launching a 14th hearing that'll reveal the same things that the previous 13 did?
As Hillary would say, who cares anyway, what difference does it make.
None, unless it was your husband, son or close relative.
What's to be gained? Nothing as always in any investigation in today's polarized political atmosphere.
The question to ask yourself, when you pull the handle as you hold your nose, which will smell more as neither will make you feel good about your decision.
Ahh, Lou. The Right's favorite Benghazi talking point, Clinton's quote, "What difference does it make?" I expected more from you.
Did you actually see Clinton's testimony? I did and I heard that quote in context. You should look up the raw hearing footage and watch it. Here, let me help you out:
"SEN. RON JOHNSON, R-WISCONSIN: "No, again, we were misled that there were supposedly protests and that something sprang out of that -- an assault sprang out of that -- and that was easily ascertained that that was not the fact, and the American people could have known that within days and they didn't know that."
CLINTON: "With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they'd go kill some Americans? WHAT DIFFERENCE AT THIS POINT DOES IT MAKE? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. ... But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backward as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we'll figure out what was going on in the meantime."
Hope that adds some perspective, or, if not, I at least hope the Benghazi-er come up with a different talking point.
Clinton said "I take responsibility" 4 days after the attack before and re-iterated that during the hearings in January '13. So did the Obama Admin.
Sorry it enrages you, Lou. There may be incompetence but there's simply no scandal.
Sorry but the line says so much. And in this case it's accurate. I believe you missed the point. To America, it really doesn't matter as we are past the 30 second sound byte. To me personally, I came of age where no man was left behind. A close friend jumped out of a helicopter in Vietnam to see if anyone was alive, he was wounded for his effort. 2 gun ships were called in to get him out. The dead were removed and returned to the US. Immediate aid was called in to assist, nothing was spared. We have lost that as a nation as we send people into harms way and then disaster occurs and we scratch our heads.
The F16 has an operating range of 2002 miles and with tanker support unlimited. Distance from Italy to Libya, 624 miles. Really tried hard didn't they.
Is anything to be gained? No, people are people, politicians are politicians and will tell the truth or lie to benefit themselves. Contempt of congress? Holds as much water as any law passed by congress, none.
Benghazi a total screw up. The true tragedy the coverup, the lies. We got rid of a president for that when the country demanded more and had integrity. Will anything be done, no, a total waste of time.
Saying you take responsibility is laughable when there are obviously no consequence for your declaration. Maybe the punishment is she get to run as president with the party cheering her on. Taking responsibility is resigning from public life. Is this the type person you want as president, obviously self serving?
What, in your opinion, will be revealed from yet another investigation that we haven't already learned from 13 hearings, 50 briefings, and 25k documents?
Seriously?
The attack in Benghazi has been more thoroughly investigated by the House Pubs than the global financial collapse in '08.
Sorry man. There's no scandal, Lou.
The tragedy in Benghazi has been co-opted as the Republican Get Out The Vote strategy for the 2014 midterms. It's what passes for our political discourse these days.
I think I was pretty clear. "Is anything to be gained? No, people are people, politicians are politicians and will tell the truth or lie to benefit themselves."
Scandal, the lies, the cover up and it really doesn't matter as we, as a country have become immune through constant exposure to lies and cover ups from our politicians. The Repub's have Benghazi, as the Dem's have their favorites, need a list? And the difference is what? Do you honestly think either party has their constituency as their first concern?
1. Personal gain/power. 2. Their money sources. 3. The party. 4. The people who elected them if it doesn't conflict with 1-3.
Our politicians make a great case for term limits of 1 term.
Color me disgusted with the political game. Remember when campaigning started 1 year before a general election, then 1.5 years, 2 years? Now it begins with spamming the internet at 3 years before a general election.
Have your hearings - check Have your pages of documents - check Have your briefings - check
Case closed, I reckon. Never mind the fact that not a single thing has happened to anyone. No perps brought to justice, no incompetent bureaucrat fired. Nothing. Nothing at all to see here until the opposing faction has the WH. Then we'll see Max and Rick cry foul non stop.
An administration should be able to make erroneous statements about a terror attack that killed a U.S. ambassador in the weeks before a presidential election and expect everyone to accept its good intentions afterward.
An administration should be able to withhold a bombshell White House e-mail from congressional investigators and expect everyone to greet its long-delayed release with a yawn.
An administration should be able to send out its press secretary to abase himself with absurd denials of the obvious and expect everyone to consider its credibility solidly intact.
No opposition party would ever accept these propositions, and of course Republicans (and a few intrepid reporters and organizations) haven’t. We presumably would never have learned of the e-mail from White House national-security official Ben Rhodes to then-ambassador.
It has long been the contention of Rice’s defenders that she was merely tripped up by bad intelligence.
Blaming the video allowed the administration to put the most anodyne possible interpretation on Benghazi while staying in its ideological comfort zone.
Guess as long as the American people don't care about the above issues, it should die. Accountability, integrity, honesty, a thing of the past.
The select committee on Benghazi will have the power to find out where Obama and Hillary were, and what they were doing during the evening of the battle.
ReplyDeleteThey will call for all emails and logs detailing the leaders movements during these terrible hours. Emails detailing the formulation of a media response by the White House will be exposed. The political nature of the response will be of particular interest.
Who was in charge? Who issued the orders to stand down? Who determined that a military response wasn't possible during the eight hour battle?
DeleteWere Obama and Clinton running guns out of Benghazi? Was Christopher Stevens involved?
Why was the video maker jailed? Was the video a smoke screen? Despite what Ms. Clinton says, this does make a difference.
"Were Obama and Clinton running guns out of Benghazi? Was Christopher Stevens involved?"
DeleteYes!
DeleteWhat difference does it make.
The people involved lie and will continue to lie including obama and clinton. Why would anyone expect something different? It's been well orchestrated so far and will continue.
The difference between the Nixon times and the obama times. The legislators in both parties had integrity today, not so much. The president was smart enough to step down, not so much today.
p.s. It's about obama but also about clinton who hopes to assume power. At least she's holding true continuing the lies.
The scandal, if you don’t know, is the White House’s maliciously misleading the American public about four dead Americans killed by preventable al-Qaeda attacks on the anniversary of 9/11 in order to serve its own narrow political purposes.
What’s unusual in this case is the unnecessary dishonesty, as though the Obama administration simply reflexively recoiled from the truth.
The Obama administration did not mislead the American public about Benghazi out of political necessity; it misled the American public out of habit. And why wouldn’t it? From the economic effects of the stimulus bill to the GM bailout to blaming last quarter’s poor economic numbers on the fact that it is cold during the winter, the Obama administration has an excellent record for wholesaling fiction to the American electorate, which keeps enduring it. There is apparently enough collective intelligence in the Obama administration to hold in general contempt the wit and attention span of an American public that has elected it twice. Or perhaps the administration is fooling itself, too. A good huckster knows that he is a huckster, but a great huckster comes to sincerely believe in his own shtick.
I agree with nearly everything you said here. The only problem is that this particular set of lies was pretty important.
DeleteBasically, they lied about the "why" to cover up the "what" which would lead back to the real "why". I'm not trying to speak in code.
I don't know why the Obama administration armed and supported the entire Arab Spring. I don't know why Chris Stevens was trying to reaquire weapons so they could be channeled into Syria against Assad. I don't know why this administration chooses to side with Al Quad a our ostensible enemy.
This is the rabbit hole the administration is hoping to avoid.
Speculating would be fun and I have my ideas.
http://hpub.org/us-ambassador-chris-stevens-got-what-he-deserved-in-libya/
I didn't read that link, I just posted it for the picture. Since when do we have ambassadors doing "wet work:?
See William you are still not being told the facts by your one sided news source. The President was in the White House doing debate prep. The answer to your other question is Valerie Jarrett. On who's authority did she not send response? that is the question you need answered. ( Full disclosure I do not like Valerie Jarrett ).All the rest just a smoke screen and this is not that big of deal. Being an ambassador in a third world country is dangerous business. Did you know that of the 8 ambassadors killed in the line of duty 6 were killed by rebel groups. So as ambassadors go this is not unusual. It's part of the risk you take. Running guns? I guess we just gotta have something huh?. This is obviously more about staining Hilary Clinton then any care or concern about Chris Stevens. You can't beat her so ya gotta get something to stick.
ReplyDeleteIt is not a big deal to you as you and your kind really believe that you are above the law and are worthy of justice, These men were murdered - set up to be murdered. What difference does it make - a lot when you go before Him in the end.
DeleteSpin it anyway you want as it is obvious what is going on and how ignorant you and your kind are.
Set up to be murdered? Really? Can you remotely back that up?
DeleteOnly a complete shill would say an ambassador getting killed is no big deal.
ReplyDeleteLike everything else, as long as it's someone else it doesn't matter.
DeleteHigher taxes.
Paying for the ACA.
People dying in Benghazi.
People unemployed while working an amnesty plan for millions of illegals.
The laughable rule of law, only enforce what you like, the rest ignore.
The continued spending, year after year.
Don't worry, be happy.
Think Rick would be pissed today if it were one of his son's? Call it a no big deal?
"What difference does it make?"
DeleteTo bad it wasn't your kid. Then we would see if as a shill you made the same claim.
DeleteI found this article to be interesting. The Republicans accuse the Democrats of politicizing Benghazi, yet, is that not what they are doing now? A pox on both of their houses!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cnn.com/2014/05/06/opinion/kohn-benghazi-gop/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29
Sally Kohn
DeleteCareer
Community organizing
Previously, Kohn was Senior Campaign Strategist with the Center for Community Change, where she served as co-Director. She also previously served as Executive Director of the Third Wave Foundation. Kohn held a program fellowship at the Ford Foundation, helping to manage more than $15 million in annual grants. She was also a distinguished Vaid Fellow at the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute. Kohn has consulted at organizations such as the Urban Justice Center. She was also a strategic adviser to the Social Justice Infrastructure Funders.
Media career
She has appeared on MSNBC shows The Ed Show , Up with Steve Kornacki, Now with Alex Wagner, and on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell.[6] Kohn has also published op-eds for outlets including Fox News,[7] The Washington Post, The Nation, The Christian Science Monitor, and USA Today. She is also a contributor to The Huffington Post.
She served as a Fox News Channel contributor until October 2013.[1][2] She is currently a commentator on CNN.
Personal life
Kohn met her partner, Sarah Hansen, at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre, Brazil, in 2003. Hansen works as an activist and consultant. Hansen was the Executive Director of the Environmental Grantmakers Association from 1998 to 2005. They have a 3 year-old daughter, Willa Hansen-Kohn and live in Brooklyn, New York.[8]
This link is toilet paper Mick. She is toilet paper Mick.
The democrats have issued 20 subpoena's over two road cones on the George Washington bridge approach. The "investigation" continues.
DeleteOn the other hand we have four people dead. Possible gun running. No one apprehended to date. Questions about redacted emails, many that have not been released to date. Questions about where Clinton and Obama spent their evening during the terrible hours. Who gave the order to "stand down."
Yeah, I'd say it's about even.
Yeah, the republicans are "politicizing the Benghazi event."
Yeah right Mick.
Yeah
The main street media spent 88 minutes over the two days following the Bridgegate exposure.
DeleteThe same media spent 6 minutes over two days following the judicial watch white house document release.
"The circumstances of Ambassador Stevens' death are still under investigation:"
ReplyDeleteRead more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/stevens.asp#TkXBx5jS6q8sGW3v.99
Lol, Snopes, updated April 2, 2014, says his death is still under investigation!
Does anyone still think Snopes is reliable? ?
In a vague way, I remember seeing posts toward the end of Bush's reign. The outrage from a lot on the left was at screeching fever pitch, while those on the right, who really didn't like Bush all that much themselves, were simply just going quiet talking about it. When you see a screeching mob running down the street inflamed about some thing or another, it eventually doesn't really matter anymore what they are screeching about, the end result is that they are simply looking for blood. Just like with Clinton and the White Water thing that ended with an adulterous man (Jackass Henry Hyde from Illinois) delivering articles of impeach for Clinton lying about a blowjob, I am convinced we will eventually see another modern day jackass deliver articles of impeachment for something that not only has nothing to do with Benghazi, but also has nothing to do with anything important or relevant to the world.
ReplyDeleteTrey Gowdy will chair the select committee.
DeleteThere will be no nonsense.
On March 4, 2014, Gowdy introduced the ENFORCE the Law Act of 2014 (H.R. 4138; 113th Congress) into the House.[22] The bill would give the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate both the standing to sue the President of the United States in a federal district court to clarify a federal law (that is, seek a declaratory judgment) in the event that the executive branch is not enforcing the law.[23][24] House Republicans argued that the bill was necessary because the Obama Administration refused to enforce the laws.[25]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trey_Gowdy
He's no joke. He was they one that called Lois Lerner on her attempt to plead the 5th after having claimed her innocence.
DeleteSouth Carolina pols are serious business...except for Lindsey Graham and Jim Clyburn.
"There will be no nonsense."
DeleteThere will be nothing BUT nonsense
fixed
Max,
DeleteAs with everything else, the liars will continue to lie, the people telling the truth will continue to tell the truth.
As with everything in Washington, nothing changes. Until the media does it's job, both contestants decide to do their jobs look for more of the same.
As you can see Lou, I've lost the ability to respond to this particular topic with anything but anger and a desire to piss off the people who are trying desperately to wrap this shit up in some kind of patriotic duty. Basically, a small segment of America believes that this tragic event, borne of incompetence and hubris, somehow impacts their personal lives. It doesn't. I really don't have anything positive to say about Obama or Clinton regarding this screw up, but by the same token, I'm sick of endless abuses of the investigatory power of congress to slap shit shows like this against the wall while telling us it's important to the country. This is not honoring the four who were killed, it's pimping their deaths in a sick show of political theatre.
DeleteI'm as cynical as you about lack of change occurring but my view differs because I'm cynical of the ability of the people in this country to currently pull their heads out of their asses and give a damn about anything but their personal satisfaction, which is an attitude that has a lot to do with this story. Implied in many of the comments here is a sense that if America is slapped in the face enough times with this story, they will come to the correct conclusion and be motivated to..............do something I suppose.
I'm cynical of the ability of the people in this country to currently pull their heads out of their asses and give a damn about anything but their personal satisfaction, which is an attitude that has a lot to do with this story
DeleteSad but true. The 30 second attention span of people is at the heart of our problems. The political crap will soon hit the TV (already has here) people will listen and decide from a bogus 30 spot proclaiming what a wonderful job they have done and how the other person is to extreme.
Until the country wakes up to what the elected officials they send to Washington have done to them, nothing changes.
Max, why do you cry for oversight out of one side of your mouth and obstruct from the other?
Delete"Max, why do you cry for oversight out of one side of your mouth and obstruct from the other?"
DeleteWell, like the little puppy dogs who are carrying water on this stupid issue, let me be a good little liberal and post what i saw on MSNBC today, http://benghaziwatchdogs.com/ that's a link to the little crap bags who are using this to fund raise. This is what this issue is all about Jimbo. So, in response to your completely dishonest question, that's my response. There have been countless hearing held on this, thousands and thousands of pages of documents collected and STILL, the Republicans won't let this die. The reason they won't let it die is because they have nothing else to say or do that is remotely relevant to anything that affects Americans day to day lives.
Here's a great short piece that you either won't read or will come up with some bullshit dismissal of http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2014/05/ronald-reagans-benghazi.html While you all chide me for being such a believer in greatleadersaviorofeverything Obama, stuff it. This investigation is not about changing the way we secure our assets, it's not about honoring the life of Chris Stevens, it's not about FINDING ANSWERS THAT ALL OF AMERICA WANTS TO HEAR, it's simply about continuing to play the game of who can be the biggest jagoff in Washington. Like Issa's waste of 14 million dollars racked up in his completely one sided IRS hearings, we will waste millions more on Benghazi to find what? Nothing.
Lois Lerner held in contempt of congress.
DeleteEric Holder held in contempt of congress.
26 :democrats support resolution asking for special counsel.
Delete26 out of 199, yeah, that's some solid bipartisan support. Basically, it was a party vote. This is a Republican show created for the benefit of beating their chest before mid term elections. Congratulations on beating the establishment in North Carolina last night. Not.
DeleteSome of the rats are leaving the ship Max. Hillary will be subpoenaed and deposed Max. She will find out that it does matters what happens to our citizens. She will sit and answer questions not sit and listen to political speeches. Trey Gowdy said tonight that he does not send subpoenas to attend cocktail parties.
DeleteAs far as not being happy at losing to the RINO establishment,,well,,you are correct I am not happy. But,,,your girl will have her chance in November,,we'll see who's unhappy then.
Sorry WM. Nothing will be learned or gained. Everyone will continue with their stories. Lies and all. Not a thing that anyone can do about it.
DeleteAt the very least there is the historical record. At the very least we owe that to those that lost their lives and their families.
Delete"She will sit and answer questions not sit and listen to political speeches. Trey Gowdy said tonight that he does not send subpoenas to attend cocktail parties."
DeleteIt's funny you have described exactly what will happen. Republicans will be fighting each other for the chance to be on that committee to have their day in the sun and, like Trey Gowdy, use the opportunity to create youtube clips that they can use for campaign commercials when they want to show how tough they are on corruption. Long after even Fox new has stopped covering this, every little sycophantic Republican who makes it on the committee will be using the footage as proof of their greatness during campaign season. It's not about Hillary, it's not about Benghazi, and it's certainly not about Chris Stevens.
For what it's worth, Hillary is not my choice. Very few people within the Democratic party really represent the working middle class anymore. I honestly had a lot more respect for Dennis Kucinnich then I did Obama. Much as I bust your balls when another whackadoodle TP candidate loses, I have a respect for the fact the TP was born of something genuine. It has, however, become just another dogmatic group with very extreme fundamentalist views that do not fit the mainstream of America. Despite leaning left on some things, I'm generally willing to accept legislation that is aimed at consensus. Obama has done some of that, but like Bush and Bill Clinton, he has remained beholden to money. Your TP candidates, William, have become equally beholden to outside interests financing their campaigns. No matter who we vote for, we will be getting more of the same.
"Your TP candidates, William, have become equally beholden to outside interests financing their campaigns. No matter who we vote for, we will be getting more of the same. "
DeleteLet's all curl up and die Max.
Of course money is needed in campaigns. Of course all sorts of folks monetarily support candidates to advance their own agenda's. Of course as grown ups we understand this. Spending money on politics is after all a form of free speech.
For the record I also admire Dennis Kucinnich in the same vein that I admire Ron Paul. They both stand for something even if I don't totally agree with them. I even support some of your views relating to the common (forgotten) man Max, believe it or not.
" I have a respect for the fact the TP was born of something genuine. It has, however, become just another dogmatic group with very extreme fundamentalist views that do not fit the mainstream of America."
One might argue Max that the thoughts of the "mainstream of America" are not worth "fitting" into. Being in the minority, for now, is not a burden when one sits and thinks of the current policies that are promulgated in DC on a daily basis.
Even in defeat ideas are being aired for public consideration. It took a couple of generations for the morass in DC to congeal. It will take just as long or longer for time honored thoughts and actions to be restored. No Max, it is not a burden or uncomfortable to be considered outside the mainstream.
Of course there are things we agree on William, there are countless things that many American's agree on, but instead of operating on the premise of letting those agreements drive government, we are instead being subject to all or nothing agenda's. I'm not going to start a tit for tat game of who can find more examples of the other party doing it. It a simple reality. Kuccinich was a guy who would work with others when their agendas agreed. Not much of that going on these days.
DeleteIt's ironic to me that while you are against an evil federal government that strips local autonomy, you don't have any problems with millions of outside dollars funding local races. Why should I, as a resident of Las Vegas, have to get pounded with disgusting ads paid for by people who have no connection to my daily life here? Why should I have to live according their monied influence? That's why it's bullshit to call PAC money free speech. It's meant to silence, not enhance Democracy.
As for the mainstream of America not being worth fitting into, that is a fine example of that conservatism in America is about. A view that says, "We know what God and the founding fathers intended, and God Willing, you will bow to our agenda if we get our way."
you will bow to our agenda if we get our way."
DeleteIsn't that what we have today?
I don't know how to take that Lou, but more importantly, it's probably a pointless argument. I don't believe Obama has foisted a secret agenda on the country. They had the chance to throw his out after one term they same as they did with Bush and the decided to give both a second term knowing full well what they had already done and what they would likely do in the future. Aside from the ACA, which wasn't a secret agenda, Obama has hardly forced a liberal agenda down the throat of America and despite controlling only the house of Congress, the Republicans have been quite successful in blocking Obama from doing anything of substance that a majority of the country wants done, like passing an immigration reform bill and background checks for guns just to name a couple.
DeleteI find it interesting that we all bow to Obama's agenda. The ACA with it's endless changes which have opened the eyes of Congress as they may pass a law but it doesn't matter and the Prez can enforce the parts he likes, modify the parts he wants changed.
DeleteImmigration reform? Why is something like immigration broken when the president, past and present don't want to enforce the law? The hilarious part will be when they open up H1B visas and Americans will not find work. They claim we need more engineers yet we have engineers unemployed today. The people will claim, I didn't know. The people also want the border closed, yet nothing will ever be done to close the border so reform or not the mass migration of illegals will continue. Obama also gave provisional amnesty to illegal children brought to the US with their parents. Now he wants to pass amnesty for illegals, all the while millions remain unemployed. Now on to full steam ahead with his climate change agenda bypassing congress, again, with the EPA as his tool. Does it matter what it does to people, workers? Nope as long as he can move forward with his agenda. Before you say it, Bush was no better.
As to the 2nd term, what is it? The devil you know vs. the one you don't? People receiving freebies didn't want their free cut? The 30 second attention span? The media's biased negative reporting about anyone challenging their choice?
Look at the negative reporting on Romney's Cranbrook day's. Where was story about Obama that was similar?
Look at the dog on the roof story. Where was the Obama story?
This country is a mess led by the people we elect who make it worse.
What stories were similar? Bill Ayers was one. Rev. Wright was one. I think two things killed Romney, his 47% comment and the reality that for the moment, POTUS elections are not won by gerrymandering and the candidate for POTUS still needs to appeal to a segment of America that is not rabidly biased for one party or the either.
DeleteMy favorite whipping boy? Gerrymandering. The Republicans have really offered little in contrast to the Democrats that isn't far outside the center. If you dislike what Obama has pushed for, that's fair enough. Tell me anything ORIGINAL from the Republicans that you have really liked. Not what they've blocked, but what they have actually come up with as a plan to solve whatever it is you think is a problem. I don't like the ACA, and the extra reporting we have to do as a result of it is already a pain in my ass just working at the bedside and it's brutal for the providers in our hospice. But I've seen nothing from the Republicans that was a serious proposal to solve that problem that well over 40 million people were uninsured and were bankrupting county hospitals across the country. In fact, they still have nothing to replace it with except tort reform.
I think congress could solve some of this shit by actually legislating instead of conducting endless witch hunts and voting over and over to repeal Obama care. Much as Harry Reid is kind of a jagoff, he's basically let McConnell run the show. Instead of forcing McConnell and his buddies to stand on the floor day after day reading the phone book, he simply doesn't bring things for votes that are going to get filibustered even when there is bipartisan support. Of course, he also doesn't allow votes on Boehnors purely partisan bills and that's not leadership either. My point, because we now have so many protected districts in this country, we have no accountability and the only election that is moderately in line with the middle of the country is POTUS. I don't like that reality any more than you do.
We certainly have a difference perspective. The media attacked Romney personally as well as the hack Reid. Groundless accusations which he never acknowledged that it was inaccurate. Note I didn't say a blatant lie, much like his references to those who are being hammered by the ACA. No apologies there either.
DeleteIn any case your references to the House, little got by Dirty Harry as he blocked virtually everything. How would you know they proposed nothing. The proposed healthcare reform, sent to to both harry and Barry neither responded. What do you expect from them after being marginalized for 2 years by the majority?
Gerrymandering? Both parties do it. The difference, the media and left publishes it to make it known.
Our house district was solid conservative. The democrats controlling Colorado tried to break the lock by combining our unincorporated county with a liberal city. We have zero in common with them as they reside in a different county, urban vs. country/suburban. Don't claim it's the Republicans as the D's follow suit.
I would disagree with your assessment of POTUS. O carried the cities. The majority lives there, the rest of the country, not so much. But he is the president of the democratic party as he clearly demonstrated on a regular basis. The Senate is much the same, controlled by the cities. Here, without Denver/Boulder, the state would be conservative. To many outsiders.
If they proposed something, they would have talked about it endlessly, just like the Ryan Budget proposal that they are quite proud of. Well, Paul Ryan is quite proud of it anyway. And you really didn't answer my question about what has the house passed that is original that you believe really solves a problem you care about.
DeleteAnd respectfully, I do disagree. Breitbart, Fox, Drudge and the countless right wing shows across America ripped into candidate Obama as ruthlessly as any mainstream media did to Romney. This is how we conduct elections. Your last para there suggests to me that since we disagree, you should have representation and I should not. It's sounds like you are saying that since Obama carried dense population areas, it's not fair because the combined population away from the cities, which is smaller, doesn't agree. Your side had 8 years of Bush, and 6 years of controlling both parties. The rest of us should just F off cause you don't agree with anything left of you? Explain to me how I"m hearing this wrong because I don't think you mean it that harsh.
My side has yet to have a president MAX. Bush certainly didn't represent me or my ideas. Obama certainly doesn't represent me in any way shape or form.
DeleteMy side wants an end to the over spending, bloated government. Neither party today want that as clearly represented by 8 years of Bush and a larger representation of the last 5 years.
My side wants responsible government, we are certainly lacking there.
My side is tired of the slanted view of the media. Reading foreign sources is certainly an eye opener as how the world views us and is closer to reality.
Do people today vote for what's best for the country or what's best for their pocketbook? Think the 47% on non payers voted for Romney? Are we now relegated to politicians buying votes?
As a side note did the ABC have more viewers or did Breitbart?
Did NBC/CBS have more viewers or Fox?
Neither are good comparisons as one is over the air, the other cable.
What difference does it make Madam -- If it can be proven that your inaction contributed in the death of these Americans then I would live to be the one who puts a noose around your fat neck Madam!
ReplyDeleteFor your viewing pleasure:
ReplyDeletehttp://on.cc.com/1iZkPkK
Wait...I thought you said pleasure. Ya got me.
DeleteMaybe this might help with why a hearing is important
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-05-07/4-deeper-truths-about-benghazi-and-libya
That particular contributor is an asshat, but he's got these pertinent issues covered in one concise piece.
Lol - thanks for watching it Jimbo.
DeleteInteresting theory(s). Let me ask you, if there's a bunch of bi-partisan approved "Iran-Contra" type stuff going on that would prove a huge conspiracy/scandal implicating both parties and the Intel community, why is the push to beat us over the head with yet even more Benghazi hearings only coming from the Pubs?
I don't know....but Trey is saying all sorts of "new" stuff.
DeleteLike...What was Stevens doing in Benghazi in the first place? Well, he was running weapons out of a CIA compounds....but all that will come out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvw4rC2_VEk
Idk Jimbo. According to Politico, Republican congressional investigations on Benghazi have included "13 hearings, 25,000 pages of documents, and 50 briefings." If there was a "scandal" to be found, it would have been found.
DeleteAs much as the Obama Haters REEEALLLY hope & pray otherwise, there's simply no "there" there. Benghazi has been investigated, re-investigated, and investigated again at a significant expense to the American taxpayer. The conclusion has been the same each time - Benghazi was a tragedy and a security fuck-up. It's not a scandal.
The resurgence of "Benghazi Fever" by the right looks a lot like as Max has pointed out - a political witch hunt to stir up the base in time for the Midterms, 'cuz, let's face it - the only people who really give a shit about the Benghazi "scandal" at this point are people who would never, ever, under any circumstance, vote for a Dem.
To regular conservatives, moderates and lefties, the "Benghazi-ers" just look like the latest incarnation of the rabid Obama (and now Hillary Clinton) hating loony right. The "Benghazi-ers" have replaced the "Birthers" as the new punchline to all who sit outside of Far Right Wing Land.
I believe it's this kind of ridiculousness that handed Obama, the most beatable incumbent Prez since Carter, a fairly easy re-election. It certainly wasn't his strong record from his first term.
But who cares about burning more taxpayer time and money launching a 14th hearing that'll reveal the same things that the previous 13 did?
It's Midterm time, gotta get out the vote ...
As Hillary would say, who cares anyway, what difference does it make.
DeleteNone, unless it was your husband, son or close relative.
What's to be gained?
Nothing as always in any investigation in today's polarized political atmosphere.
The question to ask yourself, when you pull the handle as you hold your nose, which will smell more as neither will make you feel good about your decision.
Ahh, Lou. The Right's favorite Benghazi talking point, Clinton's quote, "What difference does it make?" I expected more from you.
DeleteDid you actually see Clinton's testimony? I did and I heard that quote in context. You should look up the raw hearing footage and watch it. Here, let me help you out:
"SEN. RON JOHNSON, R-WISCONSIN: "No, again, we were misled that there were supposedly protests and that something sprang out of that -- an assault sprang out of that -- and that was easily ascertained that that was not the fact, and the American people could have known that within days and they didn't know that."
CLINTON: "With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they'd go kill some Americans? WHAT DIFFERENCE AT THIS POINT DOES IT MAKE? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. ... But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backward as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we'll figure out what was going on in the meantime."
Hope that adds some perspective, or, if not, I at least hope the Benghazi-er come up with a different talking point.
Clinton said "I take responsibility" 4 days after the attack before and re-iterated that during the hearings in January '13. So did the Obama Admin.
Sorry it enrages you, Lou. There may be incompetence but there's simply no scandal.
Sorry but the line says so much. And in this case it's accurate. I believe you missed the point. To America, it really doesn't matter as we are past the 30 second sound byte. To me personally, I came of age where no man was left behind. A close friend jumped out of a helicopter in Vietnam to see if anyone was alive, he was wounded for his effort. 2 gun ships were called in to get him out. The dead were removed and returned to the US. Immediate aid was called in to assist, nothing was spared. We have lost that as a nation as we send people into harms way and then disaster occurs and we scratch our heads.
DeleteThe F16 has an operating range of 2002 miles and with tanker support unlimited. Distance from Italy to Libya, 624 miles. Really tried hard didn't they.
Is anything to be gained? No, people are people, politicians are politicians and will tell the truth or lie to benefit themselves. Contempt of congress? Holds as much water as any law passed by congress, none.
Benghazi a total screw up. The true tragedy the coverup, the lies. We got rid of a president for that when the country demanded more and had integrity. Will anything be done, no, a total waste of time.
Saying you take responsibility is laughable when there are obviously no consequence for your declaration. Maybe the punishment is she get to run as president with the party cheering her on. Taking responsibility is resigning from public life. Is this the type person you want as president, obviously self serving?
Pathetic.
What, in your opinion, will be revealed from yet another investigation that we haven't already learned from 13 hearings, 50 briefings, and 25k documents?
DeleteSeriously?
The attack in Benghazi has been more thoroughly investigated by the House Pubs than the global financial collapse in '08.
Sorry man. There's no scandal, Lou.
The tragedy in Benghazi has been co-opted as the Republican Get Out The Vote strategy for the 2014 midterms. It's what passes for our political discourse these days.
Sorry, meant "Congressional Pubs".
DeleteI think I was pretty clear.
Delete"Is anything to be gained? No, people are people, politicians are politicians and will tell the truth or lie to benefit themselves."
Scandal, the lies, the cover up and it really doesn't matter as we, as a country have become immune through constant exposure to lies and cover ups from our politicians.
The Repub's have Benghazi, as the Dem's have their favorites, need a list? And the difference is what? Do you honestly think either party has their constituency as their first concern?
1. Personal gain/power.
2. Their money sources.
3. The party.
4. The people who elected them if it doesn't conflict with 1-3.
Our politicians make a great case for term limits of 1 term.
Color me disgusted with the political game. Remember when campaigning started 1 year before a general election, then 1.5 years, 2 years? Now it begins with spamming the internet at 3 years before a general election.
I guess it's all about the stats:
DeleteHave your hearings - check
Have your pages of documents - check
Have your briefings - check
Case closed, I reckon. Never mind the fact that not a single thing has happened to anyone. No perps brought to justice, no incompetent bureaucrat fired. Nothing. Nothing at all to see here until the opposing faction has the WH. Then we'll see Max and Rick cry foul non stop.
An administration should be able to make erroneous statements about a terror attack that killed a U.S. ambassador in the weeks before a presidential election and expect everyone to accept its good intentions afterward.
ReplyDeleteAn administration should be able to withhold a bombshell White House e-mail from congressional investigators and expect everyone to greet its long-delayed release with a yawn.
An administration should be able to send out its press secretary to abase himself with absurd denials of the obvious and expect everyone to consider its credibility solidly intact.
No opposition party would ever accept these propositions, and of course Republicans (and a few intrepid reporters and organizations) haven’t. We presumably would never have learned of the e-mail from White House national-security official Ben Rhodes to then-ambassador.
It has long been the contention of Rice’s defenders that she was merely tripped up by bad intelligence.
Blaming the video allowed the administration to put the most anodyne possible interpretation on Benghazi while staying in its ideological comfort zone.
Guess as long as the American people don't care about the above issues, it should die. Accountability, integrity, honesty, a thing of the past.
"Accountability, integrity, honesty, a thing of the past."
DeleteRichard Nixon had far more of all three than any Republican in office today
He certainly had more than Obama. And the common sense to resign when things got ugly.
DeleteBut that was then and people expected more from their politicians and now we have today where anything goes.