"I think that raises so many issues, it would be difficult to administer," the former secretary of state said at the first Democratic debate sponsored by CNN Tuesday night. "It needs to be part of comprehensive immigration reform when we get to it."
Senate report: Illegal immigrants benefited from up to $750M in ObamaCare subsidies
Illegal immigrants and individuals with unclear legal status wrongly benefited from up to $750 million in ObamaCare subsidies and the government is struggling to recoup the money.The report, produced by Republicans on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, examined Affordable Care Act tax credits meant to defray the cost of insurance premiums.
It found that as of June 2015, “the Administration awarded approximately $750 million in tax credits on behalf of individuals who were later determined to be ineligible because they failed to verify their citizenship, status as a national, or legal presence.”
How can an illegal immigrant obtain a tax credit?
ReplyDeleteAsk your government as they issued the tax credits/subsidy for healthcare.
DeleteI have to assume they are accepting tax returns from illegal immigrants then. How can you submit a return without a social security number?
DeleteIf you do submit a return with a false SS number shouldn't you be prosecuted?
If you are prosecuted and found to be an illegal shouldn't you be deported?
How do they know we have 11.5 million illegals in this country? Are they adding up their tax returns?
I know max and ric will both shoot holes in the statements made above.
But like The Donald said: We either have a country or we don't.
I believe a lot of illegals do use fake SS numbers. And technically yes, if they are caught, they should be sent back. What I hear most often is "We gotta take the country back". These types are obsessed with illegal immigrants, but don't seem to have much problem with the businesses who use them because it generally depresses wages.
DeleteJust once, I'd like to hear some one right of center acknowledge that people have come here illegally for decades because people give them jobs. That won't happen though because it would let some air out of the argument that they come here for free shit and nothing more.
All an illegal has to do is have a child in America. The child is an American citizen and has all the rights of a citizen including healthcare. It's common in this state for the parents to use a child's SS number. The SS and IRS databases are separate and age is unknown.
DeleteEnjoy.
And yes Max, illegals come here for 1 reason for money. Business is complicit with government in allowing illegals to remain in the US under the oh, they are just doing jobs Americans don;t want to do. I would disagree as you can visit a construction site and the main language is Spanish.
Want illegals to return home, fine employers that hire illegals 5K a head every time they visits the workplace. Employers would quickly get the hint.
p.s. The free shit comes after they are here and find out how easy it is to claim their fair share.
Then why isn't dropping heavy fines on employers being talked about by Republican candidates?
DeleteFir the same reasons the democratic candidates are not talking about it.
DeleteBoth parties have a similar agenda for different reasons.
The reason is that many industries would collapse without immigrant workers, legal and illegal. The Florida and California agricultural industries for one. Then there is the Wisconsin dairy industry and the building industry nation wide.
DeleteThe reason is that many industries would collapse without immigrant workers, legal and illegal. The Florida and California agricultural industries for one. Then there is the Wisconsin dairy industry and the building industry nation wide.
DeleteMick you don't qualify illegal from legal immigrants. No problem with temporary legal immigration at all.
DeleteAnd what about jobs for young black males? Don't they count? Why wouldn't the unemployed do these jobs? Don't give me the old excuse that "well, they just won't."
“... racial gaps are pronounced in metro areas across the country,,, Consider this: In 2010, in only two metro areas (Washington, D.C. and Dallas) was the black male employment rate higher than 60 percent; conversely, in only two metro areas (Portland and Detroit) was the employment rate for white males lower than 70 percent. Washington, D.C. registered the highest employment rates for all working-age black males (66.6 percent) and for prime working-age black males (79.4 percent). Yet, the top-ranked black male employment rate in Washington, D.C. was lower than even the lowest white male employment rate in any of the large metropolitan areas examined in this study (for both age-cohorts...”
They can't. All government benefits are based on a social security number. Illegals don't have one and if they do it is factitious. On the flip side these subsidies can go to the children born here who are but law a constitution citizens of these United States whether conservatives like that clause or not. This report was released by a biased Senate, that is where the "Unclear status" comment comes from. These so called anchor babies are American citizens whether you like it or not and are entitled to all the rights of American citizenship.
DeleteThe reason is that many industries would collapse without immigrant workers, legal and illegal. The Florida and California agricultural industries for one. Then there is the Wisconsin dairy industry and the building industry nation wide.
ReplyDeleteNow that is beyond humorous. Indeed people unemployed that are able bodied collecting benefits either work or face loss of benefits.
McDonald would be hard hit. Back to hiring mom's in the day and HS kids in the afternoon.
How in the HELL did we ever survive without the illegals that are suppressing wages.
"How in the HELL did we ever survive without the illegals that are suppressing wages."
DeleteBy having an economy that made stuff that provided living wages.
And wages are being suppressed by ab over abundance of entry level labor (illegals).
DeleteA shame our dear leaders [past and present decided it was best to export jobs for cheap junk.
The illegal piece is one thing, but a much bigger massive shift has occurred. Good as it was to have those manufacturing jobs, the reality is this, it gave people with few skills the ability to feed their families. Where trade unions remain strong, I seriously doubt there are illegals working. Where unions are weak or non existent I'm sure it's a different story.
DeleteFor a variety of reasons, a young person today cannot dream of not going to college and still plan to make a decent wage. We can kick all the illegals out tomorrow and still be faced with the reality that we just aren't producing decent jobs for people with no skills. I can be dismissed as a "Free shit" loving socialist, but I believe my outlook is pretty objective. We can say no to free education, we can say to unions, we can so no tax increases, and we can say no to health care, and we can continue to watch the ranks of those in poverty swell. Was reading a little blurb in one of my nursing mags today about the climbing death rate of middle aged white dudes. this isnt getting better
We have little choice but to say no.
Delete19 trillion and rising.
CBO’s Projection of Federal Interest Payments
Interest payments on that debt represent a large and rapidly growing expense of the federal government. CBO’s baseline shows net interest payments more than tripling under current law, climbing from $231 billion in 2014, or 1.3 percent of GDP, to $799 billion in 2024, or 3.0 percent of GDP—the highest ratio since 1996. The rising debt accounts for some of that increase, but much of it stems from CBO’s expectation that—largely owing to the improving economy—the average interest rate paid on that debt will more than double over the next 10 years, from 1.8 percent in 2014 to 3.9 percent in 2024. (Although interest rates are projected to rise sharply, CBO’s current projections of those rates are lower than its projections earlier in the year, reflecting the agency’s reassessment of the factors influencing real interest rates.)
So there we have it. Interest rates will become a major part of spending. So what will it be? Should we sacrifice SS? Medicare? The ACA? Medicaid? Disband the military?
Honestly not making this a personal attack Lou, but I believe what you stated here is the bailiwick of all currently elected Republicans. They are fixated on talking about this number, and could not give a shit about what people are actually going through. They have a double dogma, the first is THE NUMBER and the other is that if they alleviate any suffering or make any attempt to level the field, it will only encourage dependency. So they just keep kicking the can.
Delete19 trillion will no be paid off but cutting spending. But that's the only real option being offered. Tax increases? Nope. We are going to continue paying interest on that debt, and that interest will continue to grow, as will the debt, because there will never be acceptance of the need to create a surplus to pay down debt. Our current economy is shit. Undoubtedly, there will be plenty of interest to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to round up the wetbacks and fling them home. And then what? Cheap ass Americans will suddenly be willing to pay 10 bucks for a shitty McBurger? Nope again.
The only way I ever see our debt going down is by having a bigger tax base. And of course, what Republicans want to do is to find ways to again lower taxes for the top so they can invest even more money overseas, because that's shown stunning proof of success since Reagan. Meh, we trade these barbs all the time. It's meaningless. We can keep blowing money on shit that does nothing, or we can spend money in a way that might actually give people a chance to better themselves, and set themselves up to be ready for jobs that require more skill and pay better and (wait for it) actually pay taxes they aren't paying now because they don't make enough money to do so.
Or we can say we can't afford it and keep drifting downward.
And the reality is that this government will never stop borrowing until they can no longer borrow.
DeleteThis government will continue to spend until we reach the point of being unable to borrow.
Then the decisions will need to be made.
The difference between you and I is that you actually believe government can spend wisely and make a difference. I see government as our elected people (both parties) who are working to maintain their position of power and spend whatever necessary.
actually pay taxes they aren't paying now because they don't make enough money to do so.
And those very same people pay state taxes for state services and local taxes (sales) for local services yet they are to [poor to pay for the largess of a bloated Federal Government which they rely on.
"The difference between you and I is that you actually believe government can spend wisely and make a difference. I see government as our elected people (both parties) who are working to maintain their position of power and spend whatever necessary. "
Deleteyes, that does sum it up pretty well.
Perhaps I have just been around for a few years longer and a bit more cynical watching the games people play in government.
DeleteWe all have our own wisdom Lou, which I would call confident knowledge learned from mistakes and seeing the same thing over and over again. Cynicism, to me, is more of a choice. Seems most of us head that way eventually, I might as well bask in my unrealistic idealism until I catch up with you.
DeleteCheer up, the Supremes just cleared they way to keep on burning coal.
Guess it would be better if the EPA would have done a cost benefits analysis.
DeleteI believe the SCOTUS overturned a previous EPA ruling for the same reason. One would think they would learn from their mistakes.
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/246423-supreme-court-overturns-epa-air-pollution-rule
I might as well bask in my unrealistic idealism until I catch up with you.
I look forward to your company. See you soon.
Sad fact is Louman illegals don't suppress wages. Ever try to hire one? Only those who do day work suppress wages. Do you know how much these people who work for legitimate companies pay into our social security system that they are never going to get back?
DeleteDo you know an American who will voluntarily work on a Wisconsin dairy farm? Or pick strawberries all day long in the hot California sun? There are a few but not enough to get the job done. Louman you miss the whole point that Americans have become fat and lazy. We don't want to do the hard stuff. We would rather tolerate illegals to do that for us. Our cheap prices are not the effect of illegals working in our country but more the results of greedy manufacturers who off shore the jobs to make shit to Vietnam where workers make 50 cents a day as opposed to paying a decent wage for quality American workers.
You live in a dream world Rick.
DeleteDo you know an illegal that will never turn down a commercial construction job? A residential construction job? A road construction job? A roofing job? Fast food jobs? Landscaping jobs?
And rick, they do those jobs here as they are hired and employed by business that chose illegals (less expensive) over American citizens.
You live in the utopia and past where the poor illegals only do jobs Americans don;t want to do.
Oh those greedy manufacturers who moved manufacturing off shore to remain competitive and provide you with the cheap shit you demand. When was the last time you bypassed the cheap shit for an American made product? All that cheap shit brought to you by YOUR government who push and sign more free trade agreements allowing the cheap shit without tariffs.
p.s. For the able bodied, no work, no benefits.
p.s. Illegals can work by using an anchor babies SSN or simply applying for a ITIN.
DeleteYour are beyond naive.
Trump is right. We either have a country or we don't.
DeleteMake up your minds what you want.
Without a congress that will act, trump would be hamstrung as bama
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