Well, I was complaining about the roll backs in freedom that occurred after 9/11 and then we have this story breaking today http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html
Turns out, we have yet another freedom stealing program started under a Republican and continued under Obama. Yet, not a peep from the right. THIS, is something to be outraged about and I hope the press takes it to the entirety of the Democratic party for being spineless shitbags who have supported this kind of stuff since 9/11
As James Bamford noted, and as I have been saying for years, The Obama administration is like the Bush administration on steroids. Our Congress has been supporting the NSA spy mission for at least 8 years, renewing its authority to spy on email and phone accounts every 3 months.
ReplyDeleteWhat troubles me so much is that both sides support it so strongly. In fact, I damn the left more for allowing it then I do the right.
DeleteEspecially if the left was so outraged about it, and then had the power to change it.
DeleteJean
Especially if they had been outraged about it when it started, and did nothing to change it when they had full control.
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Carnivore was a system implemented by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that was designed to monitor email and electronic communications. It used a customizable packet sniffer that can monitor all of a target user's Internet traffic. Carnivore was implemented in October 1997.
ReplyDeletePre 9/11 though, I believe we still had rules and if the FBI was going to use that evidence in court, it was going to have to have been obtained more transparently. Then NSA, if I understand correctly, does not play by such rules and kind of does whatever the hell it wants.
DeleteThis kind of shit is chilling to me. While we have almost the entirety of the right in America screaming in outrage over Benghazi and the IRS, something like this, which truly has scary implications for controlling the populous, doesn't seem to bother them that much. At best, they are concerned if it's a point they can slam Obama on. At worst, they are ignorant fools who believe everything is okay as long they find a way to impeach Obama or make themselves look good in contrast in the next election.
Well Max.. you can't fight city hall... right? I've all but given up on our national level Government, no budget during the Obama Presidency, nothing surprises me, 1984 is us now, get over it. One of the reasons I fled Ca. and move to Az. is that Ca. is/was the model for the nanny state, massive debt to support massive government. (think Detroit) Az. is not as bad as most, but in all cases its just a choice of the lessors of evils.
DeleteI suppose I'm being watched too, and this blog, be careful what you publish...
fact is, our government spied during the 50's looking for communists, 60 at Berkley students, 70's over VietNam, CIA supported 'plumber unit' in Watergate... That resulted in the CIA being forbidden from operating on US soil... which gave rise in power to the NSA...We had a co conspiracy of 5 nations in the ECHELON project in the 80's ostensibly to keep track of the soviet union by spying on emails and phone calls but when the soviet union collapsed... they found a new enemy... 'Terrorists'. but got busted in 1996 for bugging corporate meetings and DNC donors... Then as I said before we had Carnivor. Spying on Americans is not new but just like so many civil rights encroachments it has been insidious and relentless. The problem here is that we are arguing with each other when in fact we should understand that this is the purpose of the left/right divisiveness instilled in us by both national parties.... It's is time to understand that while we fight over the little things (that we think are big) we are losing the big things that will one day make the little things meaningless...
DeleteI have been called a nut case so many times because I have followed the bilderberg, CFR and trilateral... the central bank systems... national parties and who they allow us to elect, I said that there was something funny during the financial collapse that was triggered by a ‘dislocation’ of the LIBOR rates... I said then that they were manipulated... It is time that people start looking at ‘conspiracy’ theories.... because I am not sure who is the bigger nut job... those that follow them or those who ignore them.
TS,
DeleteThe Bilderberg Group and the CFR. Brr. Scary entities, those. Worrisome is being lighthearted about them.
Jean
Twinsdad: How the budget happens
ReplyDeleteThe federal budget doesn’t get enacted the way other laws do. The process starts with the president submitting his budget request to Congress early in the year. That voluminous document is partly a presidential wish list, but it also gives Congress a framework.
"The ‘PresBud,’ as it is called, forms the basis of the fiscal year budget that starts the following October," according to this post from the nonpartisan Taxpayers for Common Sense.
In Congress, the House and Senate have budget committees tasked with creating concurrent budget resolutions, using the president’s budget as a guide. As Taxpayers for Common Sense wrote, "The legislation they draft is for Congressional use only: it doesn't go to the President, it isn't law, it just helps Congress keep its budgetary ducks in a row."
So there is the first problem with Romney’s statement. The president doesn’t "pass" a budget. That’s Congress’ job.
In Obama’s case, he has submitted his budget request each year he has been in office.
Mick,
DeleteSpin it however you wish, we haven't seen a Budget Resolution pass since the last one under the Bush Administration. Could it be because it would categorically display the huge trajectory of the National Debt? The year-by-year failure to reduce the deficit? Obama's submittal of a BR is pro forma solid waste from a male cow, and you know it.
Jean
You all should be very concerned. You all have been communicating with a known Tea Party member. Expect audits in the near future. Expect inquiries into your private domestic and business dealings. Be ready with your affairs in order concerning your financial dealings, retirement pensions, and savings programs.
ReplyDeleteGird yourself for that knock on the door from the FBI, IRS, ATF, CIA, or another unnamed administration controlled secret security force.
Don't allow yourselves to become paranoid or jaded toward your governments actions as there is a small chance that you may not be culled from the herd after all. Trust your governments interaction with the various information metadata, communication, and internet companies. After all they all have your welfare at the forefront in any of their policy decisions.
Good luck in the future if we never meet again.
1773-2009 Remember their options are target rich. Your options in dealing with them are extreamly limited.
I don't think we need to worry about our association with you much William.... most of the Tea Party had been assimilated and diluted into the main stream republican party... I gave up on the tea party when they lost their focus and started slinging around the side issues of abortion and gays....
DeleteBut you are absolutely right.... we should prepare for a dramatic change in the direction of this country... and it doesn't appear to be a good one.
As Mark Levin has detailed in Ameritopia that change you speak of has occurred long ago. The Tea Party movement has morphed into many things with many meanings to many different people. Most of all it is exposing and peeling back the multiple layers of the Statists onion.
DeleteObviously the dilution you posit is not held by these same Statists as they have gone to extraordinary lengths to secretly investigate and hinder their prey at every turn.
2014 rapidly approaches. The failed president will not be on the ballot. The light of day has finally arrived.
1773-2009
Keep us arguing about Benghazi or gay marriage or that the POTUS is a secret Muslim Kenyan ...
ReplyDeleteIn the meantime, some shadowy gov't folks know every purchase you've made with your debit card, every bit of pillow talk you've had with your honey, and every porn site you've viewed since 2001 - and has access to an army of flying killer robots to dispatch whenever, wherever.
Meh, whatever.
I, for one, am outraged that my President reads speeches from a teleprompter ...
Huh?
ReplyDelete"Your comment will be visible after approval"?
When did that start? Are you now screening comments, TD?
"Obviously the dilution you posit is not held by these same Statists"
ReplyDeleteCould you please explain this statement to me... I am not quite sure what it is intended to convey..... It almost sounds as if you are calling me a statist but I am not to sure.
"2014 rapidly approaches. The failed president will not be on the ballot. The light of day has finally arrived"
Well, unless we have figured out how to circumvent party politics the left will nominate an Hillary/Obama look alike and the republican party will pull its usual winners out of the hat like Mit..... I have high hopes for the messages of some on the hill but even they deviate when the going gets tuff....
Scott IMHO we will continue to have blessed gridlock for some time to come. The brilliance of the founders system allows us to hamstring both Statist parties. For a long time to come programs will wilt on their vines, weak constructs will simply fade from existence.
DeleteThe Statist obviously don't share your view concerning the Tea Parties. They send their minions out in waves to subdue and obstruct legitimate political activity.
Yes, the saturated solution has not yet been accomplished. Yes, it may be some time before things turn. What you don't acknowledge Scott is that the Tea's are prepared to take their battle positions to their graves. The reeducation of America has taken root. Home schooling, alternate paths to occupations, and others forms of discovery are in progress.
1773-2009 One citizen at a time.
"weak constructs will simply fade from existence."
DeleteLike bridges built under Eisenhower that we don't want to pay to keep up.