Just to make sure it was really true, I grabbed a Fox link http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/26/supreme-court-strikes-down-defense-marriage-act-provision/ After all, nothing distasteful to conservatives is accepted as real unless it is on fox. Meh, life will go on. I tend to think conservatives are going to be outraged over this today. But actually, the SCOTUS has done the second best thing that most conservatives should approve of, they have given a speed bump ruling on the way to this country likely moving towards the conclusion where gay people are allowed the same legal rights that straight couples are.
The SCOTUS did not federally "legalize" gay marriage and basically punted it back to the states which leaves the ability for morally outraged states to continue denying the right to marry to gay couples. The SCOTUS could have made a bigger statement, but chose not to. Since it was established by a couple posters here that I don't have the ability to see any issue logically (which is to say I can't see anything except through left colored glasses) I will go ahead and make the predictable proclamation that the SCOTUS ruled this way because they have observed the massive change in opinion on this issue that has occurred. Some states are going to fight this for the next 50 years. Most, I believe, are going to solve this much quicker.
Of course, because I am a twisted liberal, I can't or won't admit that this will usher in a new dawn where ultimately it will be okay to sodomize goats in public. I apologize for not being smart enough to realize the error of my ways.
No.... well maybe.... but I have never seen so many new articles and shows about the blessings of polygamy....
ReplyDeleteI bet we can even throw some good old bisexual mom on mom action in to the family equation.....
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ReplyDeleteThey did the right thing.... The only reason that the DOMA ever came up at the federal level is the constant pounding of the left to codify everything in federal law. Yes the SCOTUS could have made a bigger statement.... They could have done that in Roe by declaring life begins at conception too.
ReplyDelete"The only reason that the DOMA ever came up at the federal level is the constant pounding of the left to codify everything in federal law."
DeleteI personally believe you have a bit of a point here. There is a segment of left America which is consciously or unconsciously demanding an acceptance of the concept of homosexuality by everyone. And then there are those like myself who don't really care what the right thinks of homosexuality but nonetheless believe that committed, same sex partners, should be able have similar rights to hetero marriage. I personally don't care what that union is called legally and I think the fight over the word marriage by both sides is a little ridiculous. Just as Live said on the other page regarding Republicans and abortion, not everyone left of center shares a lockstep view about this subject.
Where I disagree with your statement is that DOMA was just as much about Republicans using legislation to make the federal government codify THEIR views. At the risk of sounding dismissive, the prominent theme I hear in Conservative/Republican protests about this is largely religion based. The bible and the Christian God say this is wrong, therefore it is our job to make sure that society holds that same view. Admittedly, as I said above, there is a segment of the left who are just as adamant in their views. But, to me, those groups will always fight. In the middle, there are a lot of people who have reached a point of deciding for themselves that gay people being allowed to marry is no threat to their hetero marriage and further, no threat to our social fabric.
What is funny, in an ironic way, is reading the rantings of Scalia who, in his bitterness, is actually making the point of how ridiculous this entire thing is. Constitutionally, it is hard to defend hetero unions and not gay unions...unless you incorporate a religious view and the constitution has something to say about that as well. I still contend this is a generational thing. I'm 46 and the overwhelming majority of people I meet in my age group are completely unfazed by the idea of gay people getting married.
Can you paint opposition to gay marriage in any other way then religious?
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ReplyDeleteThe next step is the "forced" acceptance of this. Young school children are going to be exposed to this and that is not right in fact it is disgusting. Most do not give a flip what people do in private but when it is brought out in public and forced unto the youngest - that is the problem. They will bend over backwards protecting and fostering the ideals of children in those types of families while ridiculing those children in normal unions. The shame of it is that children will pay the price, all of them.
ReplyDeleteAngie, I'm sure plenty of outraged white people said the same thing when their children were going to be forced to accept niggers as equal citizens. Undoubtedly, many are probably still bothered by that, probably some on this board actually.
DeleteChildren today are bombarded by blatant sexuality, bad economics when parents are downsized, divorce, bad schools and so on. Your anger, Angie, is about you and your fear.
How you can compare segregation with homosexuality boggles the mind. One is a creation of God the other an abomination - and no, God did not create homosuality. Yet your heathen beliefs do not allow you to walk in the light so that has been your curse so far. Play now and pay latter isn't that right Max - knock yourself out then.
DeleteIf you are right about the hereafter then neither of us lose but if I am right about it .. for me it is a win/win and fcr you a big time lose.. love my odds....
Segregation is a creation of God? That's pretty much how that reads. Also, it basically sounds like you are saying I will be cast in hell for not denouncing homosexuality while I was alive. For an alleged Christian Angie, you are extremely vindictive. If my choice is between burning in hell and living an eternity in heaven listening to endless judgement and bitterness from people like you, I don't think I want either.
Delete"Angie, I'm sure plenty of outraged white people said the same thing when their children were going to be forced to accept niggers as equal citizens."
DeleteIt is truly amazing how many times I see comments like this to justify the acceptance of just about anything... of course we can all be indoctrinated into believing that everything is good.... right up to the point went it isn't. My belief about sexuality is that, given the right environment, we can all be made to accept just about any sexual perversion that ends in orgasm... including homosexuality. We can also be turned away from heterosexual desires... right up to the point of extinction...
"It is truly amazing how many times I see comments like this to justify the acceptance of just about anything... of course we can all be indoctrinated into believing that everything is good...."
DeleteClose, but no cigar. When civil rights laws for black people were passed, it didn't "force" acceptance of anything. White idiots are still free to feel their contempt for black people, but they are not able to persecute black people for it. Take Paula Deen. She was fired, she is not in jail. That is the difference.
You are taking my analogy to a concrete extreme that I am not intending. Your point isn't lost on me, I get it. But I respectfully disagree. In the biblical view, there are benefits to marriage that are emotional and economical. Having children gave parents some extra hands to put to work. In the United States, marriage between a man and a woman has come with made up benefits that the rest of society pays for. I'm not complaining about that, but my point is that we have used law to give benefits beyond marriage as defined in the bible. The only reason we aren't extending those same benefits to gay people is purely because of religious thought which allegedly says homosexuality is wrong. THAT, is what I have a problem with.
If we allow same sex marriage and that is seen by conservatives as a personal attack on them and their beliefs, why is the same not true in reverse? I can make the argument that by keeping gay marriage unrecognized and vilified by by the right is the same as "forcing" the rest of us to accept your Christian view. It's a false argument.