"They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton," Bundy said to reporters, according to the New York Times.
"And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom," he was quoted as saying.
Bundy, 67, a rancher whose much-publicized land dispute with the federal government endeared him to conservatives, defended his comments as idle thoughts.
"In my mind I'm wondering, are they better off being slaves, in that sense, or better off being slaves to the United States government, in the sense of the subsidies? I'm wondering. That's what. And the statement was right. I am wondering," he said Thursday on "The Peter Schiff Show."
But politicians like Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, a potential 2016 presidential GOP contender, Nevada Republican Sen. Dean Heller and other conservatives scrambled to distance themselves from the controversy.
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Cattle rancher Cliven Bundy talks to his supporters Friday, April 11, in Bunkerville, Nevada. They had been protesting the federal government's roundup of Bundy's cattle, which led to an Old West-style showdown last week. The government says Bundy's livestock has been illegally grazing on U.S. lands for 20 years. Bundy says his family's cattle has grazed on the land since the 1800s.
Brand Thornton carries a rifle at a protest site in Bunkerville on April 11. The controversy drew armed militia groups from across the country to Bundy's side. The Bureau of Land Management stopped rounding up Bundy's cattle on Saturday, April 12, and it says it returned about 300 head of cattle to the open range to avoid the potential for violence.
Brand Thornton carries a rifle at a protest site in Bunkerville on April 11. The controversy drew armed militia groups from across the country to Bundy's side. The Bureau of Land Management stopped rounding up Bundy's cattle on Saturday, April 12, and it says it returned about 300 head of cattle to the open range to avoid the potential for violence.
People gather at a protest area along State Route 170, near the cattle roundup on April 11.
People gather at a protest area along State Route 170, near the cattle roundup on April 11.
A sign announces the closure of public land during the cattle roundup.
A sign announces the closure of public land during the cattle roundup.
Krissy Thornton, right, and Burgundy Hall protest the cattle roundup on Wednesday, April 9.
Krissy Thornton, right, and Burgundy Hall protest the cattle roundup on Wednesday, April 9.
Thornton, right, looks at a wound on Bundy's son Ammon on April 9. Bundy family members and dozens of supporters angrily confronted a group of rangers holding Tasers and barking dogs on Wednesday. Bundy family members say they were thrown to the ground or jolted with a Taser. Federal officials say a police dog was kicked and officers were assaulted.
Thornton, right, looks at a wound on Bundy's son Ammon on April 9. Bundy family members and dozens of supporters angrily confronted a group of rangers holding Tasers and barking dogs on Wednesday. Bundy family members say they were thrown to the ground or jolted with a Taser. Federal officials say a police dog was kicked and officers were assaulted.
The U.S. government was rounding up cattle that it says have been grazing illegally on public lands for more than 20 years, according to the Bureau of Land Management and the National Park Service. The Bureau of Land Management said Cliven Bundy owed about $1 million in back fees.
The U.S. government was rounding up cattle that it says have been grazing illegally on public lands for more than 20 years, according to the Bureau of Land Management and the National Park Service. The Bureau of Land Management said Cliven Bundy owed about $1 million in back fees.
Cliven Bundy, left, and his son Dave talk to a reporter in Las Vegas on Monday, April 7. Bundy's dispute with the government began two decades ago, when the Bureau of Land Management changed grazing rules for the 600,000-acre Gold Butte area to protect an endangered desert tortoise, KLAS reported. Bundy refused to abide by the changes and stopped paying his grazing fees to the federal bureau, which he contends is infringing on state rights.
Cliven Bundy, left, and his son Dave talk to a reporter in Las Vegas on Monday, April 7. Bundy's dispute with the government began two decades ago, when the Bureau of Land Management changed grazing rules for the 600,000-acre Gold Butte area to protect an endangered desert tortoise, KLAS reported. Bundy refused to abide by the changes and stopped paying his grazing fees to the federal bureau, which he contends is infringing on state rights.
People help erect a pole so that they could hang a banner April 7 in support of Bundy. One banner at the protest side stated: "Has the West been won? Or has the fight just begun!"
People help erect a pole so that they could hang a banner April 7 in support of Bundy. One banner at the protest side stated: "Has the West been won? Or has the fight just begun!"
Rancher Derrel Spencer speaks during a rally in support of Bundy on April 7.
Rancher Derrel Spencer speaks during a rally in support of Bundy on April 7.
Chris Miller holds his hand over his heart during a rally in support of Bundy on April 7.
Chris Miller holds his hand over his heart during a rally in support of Bundy on April 7.
Bundy's son Arden works at his father's ranch on Saturday, April 5.
Bundy's son Arden works at his father's ranch on Saturday, April 5.
Cliven Bundy, right, and Clance Cox stand at the Bundy ranch on April 5.
Cliven Bundy, right, and Clance Cox stand at the Bundy ranch on April 5.
Bundy walks by a free speech area set up by the Bureau of Land Management on Tuesday, April 1.
Bundy walks by a free speech area set up by the Bureau of Land Management on Tuesday, April 1.
Federal rangers block a road near Bunkerville, about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, on April 1.
Federal rangers block a road near Bunkerville, about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, on April 1.
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"His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him," Paul said in a statement.
Heller "completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy's appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way," according to his spokesman, Chandler Smith.
The Republican National Committee said Bundy's comments were "completely beyond the pale. Both highly offensive and 100% wrong on race."
No he is not. He's just another idiot when given time and his 15 minutes of fame will eventually show what a true ass he is. These comments are just the start of his
ReplyDeleteMetamorphosis.
After his 15 minutes, the Feds will put a bullet/s in his head and then we can all go back to our regular scheduled program.
DeleteThe comments while indefensible do not cloud the central issue of a government promoting the centralization of property by the use of military style force.
ReplyDeleteBundy's a deadbeat "welfare queen" who tried to work the system & failed. Jesus, even Glenn Beck pointed that out. Turns out he's an asshole too ... whooda thunk it?
ReplyDeleteNow he and his family will be eligible to move into a North Las Vegas government ghetto. Collect welfare and food stamps and join the others in generational dependency.
DeleteCliven is in his 70's and grew up in a different age.
The word “Negro” is used in the English-speaking world to refer to a person of black ancestry or appearance.
"Negro" superseded "colored" as the most polite terminology, at a time when "black" was more offensive.[3] This usage was accepted as normal, even by people classified as Negroes, until the later Civil Rights movement in the late 1960s. One well-known example is the identification by Martin Luther King, Jr. of his own race as 'Negro' in his famous 1963 speech I Have a Dream.
The term "Negro" is still used in some historical contexts, such as in the name of the United Negro College Fund[7][8
The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American" because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term.[9][10][11]
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Lol. You're awesome, William.
DeleteHere's the first words from your post on this thread:
"The comments while indefensible .... " Then you go on to C&P an entry from Wiki defending his use of the word "Negro"?
One, I'm pretty sure that Bundy using the word "Negro" isn't what people are reacting to, and two, methinks you're a little bit all over the place on this.
Bundy never owned the land. He knew this. He was even paying rent on it at a point. Then he stopped.
Whether Bundy acknowledged, liked, or even recognized the owners of the land as legitimate is irrelevant.
The bottom line is that he didn't own the land, he knew it, yet he used it for his cattle - he owed rent to somebody and he stopped paying it.
Then when the owners of the land (the U.S.) called him out on it, he called his gun-toting, camo-clad buddies over to raise a ruckus and threaten "revolt", gets shot with beanbags, then wraps himself in the Constitution and righteous indignation at the nerve of the illegitimate, oppressive "gubbermint"?!?!
All to get out of paying rent that he knows he owes.
Bundy's a con man and you've bought into his shtick hook, line, and sinker. Again, even your hero Glenn Beck, to his credit, called "bullshit" on this guy.
It kinda surprises me, William. Over the years you've been a very vocal advocate for property rights in your posts. You disagree that the user(s) of the land should pay rent to the owner(s) of the land, regardless of who that owner is? I find that very inconsistent with what I understood your views to be.
You've also been very vocal in your posts in your disdain toward the "Takers", scamming and living off the government teat.
I'm sorry, William, that's Cliven Bundy to a tee. The fact that he publicly makes offensive, racist remarks is just sideshow stuff for us to blog about.
You and the rest of the TEAs who are trying to turn this guy into an anti-big government folk hero would do your "movement" well to select someone else as your poster-boy.
The guy's a deadbeat con man who defaulted on his rent and got evicted by the landlord. Period.
The 1960's called, they want their use of the word negro back. BTW, in the racial makeup of women who have abortions, no racial or ethnic group makes up a majority of women having abortions: 36% are non-Hispanic white, 30% are non-Hispanic black, 25% are Hispanic and 9% are women of other races (Guttmacher.org) If the black abortions are from the men not learning to pick cotton, are the white abortions attributable to white women not having a black slave nanny to care for their children? Maybe Cliven has some ideas on this.
Deletepfunky, read and comment on my topics "Prescriptive Rights" and "Federal abuse of property rights." Think a bit about preemptive and prescriptive rights.
DeleteYour talking out of your liberal ass again girl. The Bundy family predated all of the Federal land grabbing in Nevada. You can't change the rules just because you want to increase the size of your gubbermint leviathan.
Read the other posts, then quarrel.
As far as the negro aspect, Cliven Bundy is a good man who wants the best for every citizen regardless of race. He happens to understand that living as a generational slave to the Federal leviathan master is not much different than living as a slave to a plantation master. His words were poorly chosen, this is a given, but think through the situation, or better yet take a ride though your nearest government sponsored getto, before you call out someone you don't even know.
Yeah Max, but non-hispanic white women as you call them, out number non-hispanic black women as you call them, about 8 to 1.
DeleteBullshit.
Lol. Well Glenn Beck must be talking outta his liberal ass too, then ...
DeleteIt doesn't matter if his family was there for a thousand years, William. Bundy and his family has never owned and still doesn't own the land.
Let me repeat that - he never owned the land. If he did then he'd have a legitimate gripe.
Here's what happened: He was paying rent to one landlord, then the deed to the land transferred (fair or foul) to another landlord, and because he didn't like or "recognize" the new landlord, he decided that he could legally not pay rent.
That's his assertion. Is that yours as well?
That'd be like me renting a house from you for 20 years, you transferring the deed to Max, and me deciding not pay Max rent because I don't "recognize his legitimacy".
If I made that claim in court I'd get laughed out of the room just as Bundy did.
The legitimacy of how the U.S. gained ownership of that land is a separate fight that frankly Bundy has no dog in because he has zero ownership interest in the land. He was and is a renter. That's all.
Now if Nevada wants to challenge the U.S. over the ownership rights to that land, then, yeah, I'd side with Nevada.
Sorry, man. You can C&P anything you want about about "Prescriptive Rights", it doesn't matter. Bundy was just a tenant with no legal ownership claim to the land he was renting - a deadbeat tenant who didn't like his new landlord and decided to stop paying his rent. That's the bottom line.
and William there was a time that the family paid their grazing fees. This is what belief in the tea party mantra does to what may be a good guy. He's a fool and ever chance he gets he backs it up. Anyone see his interview this AM on CNN? He was holding a dead calf while he was on the air talking. What an ass. William I am near 60 and grew up through the turmoil of civil rights. I still don't have those ridiculous beliefs. Your defense of this buffoon shows YOUR true colors.
DeleteSo pfunky you defend the Federal monolith when do to an Amercan citizen what they did to American Indians.
DeleteFuck them, we want to protect this turtle, so fuck citizens who predate the formation of the State of Navada.
I say fuck that. Go ahead and side with the DC dickheads is you want to. I say FUCK THAT!
Sorry man. You can't legally claim somebody's wrong just because you don't like them. That's not the way this country works. That's not the way anything works.
DeleteI apologize if that enrages you. Welcome to the grownup world ...
Let's just stick everyone in reservations instead of letting them make honest livings on desert land that is useless for everything else. The Indians used the bounty of this magnificent country and they were penned up. Now ranchers can't use the land and are forced into other endeavors.
DeletePlunky, yo just don't get it. This isn't aboutbsome judge, or some appeals ruling. This is aboutnyour children being able to live in a free country.
You just don't get it. But if you lose it, you will damn well get it then.
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It's about a ruling alright a court case that Bundy lost. So we let everyone who loses a court case go because it's in the best interest of freedom? Part of freedom is also control of the law William that's the part you don't get here. Any less and you have anarchy.
DeleteEarlier Friday, Bundy released a statement reiterating his views that the federal government was heavy-handed against all Americans.
Delete“What I am saying is that all we Americans are trading one form of slavery for another. All of us are in some measure slaves of the federal government,” his statement said.
“And the government dole which many people in America are on, and have been for much of their lives, is dehumanizing and degrading. It takes away incentive to work and self-respect. Eventually a person on the dole becomes a ward of the government, because his only source of income is a dole from the government. Once the government has you in that position, you are its slave.”
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-nevada-bundy-slavery-apology-20140425,0,2611088.story#ixzz30CrBdW5D
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DeleteThis is a hard one for me. I don't support Bundy freeloading, but the BLM shouldn't go killing his cattle or evacuating the land. They should have just seized his accounts and took the money he owed. Like the IRS is really good at. That's exactly how you know it's got nothing to do with fees not being paid. It's just what's in front of the curtain.
ReplyDeleteThis thing is the perfect shade of grey. If I could give the Feds credit, I'd say this is brilliant as a transitional move. I mean, it's lukewarm. Allow the plebes to acclimate to the idea that the Feds can and do run the show.
As much as I hate government overreach I equally hate wealthy freeloaders. So I, like many, can't go defending him as if he's Jesus.
But anyone who supports a Waco-style assault on Bundy is.....
Ruby Ridge: Huh? What's that?
Waco: Yeah, but those were weird cultists.
Bundy: Um, I guess that was ok.
And there, Max" is the evolution of your "variant of Milgram"
Is the water getting warmer frogy?
Delete"We are trading one form of slavery for another," his release also said of his battle against the government. "All of us are in some measure slaves of the federal government. Through their oppressive tactics of telling the ranchers how many cows they can have on their land, and making that number too low to support a ranch, the [Bureau of Land Management] has driven every rancher in Clark County off the land, except me."
ReplyDelete"I am standing up against [the federal government's] bad and unconstitutional laws, just like Rosa Parks did when she refused to sit in the back of the bus," Bundy's release reads. "She started a revolution in America, the civil rights movement, which freed the black people from much of the oppression they were suffering. ... I am doing the same thing Rosa Parks did -- I am standing up against bad laws which dehumanize us and destroy our freedom."